HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 So your attacking me again? Okay. That doesnt bother me. The Vikings werent self sufficient but my example was with the matter of trade. It will exist no matter what. I gave a theory as to what might happen in the next war. Like I said Bethesda doesnt like to make things simple (This forum is the perfect example) Bethesda like to keep us guessing. Who's to say the Dragonborn doesnt spawn daedra to kill the AD's army? Who's to say Alinor doesnt just all the sudden sink or something else catastrophic. Im just saying these things are possibilities. My apologies on saying you missed Falkreath, I must have missed it. I dont ignore arguments. I read all of them. The fact of the matter is, is that the Empire cannot support all the issues its facing. Skyrim has a few but still can manage itself. And yes, Skyrim has temperate climates as well, very lush in Deer, Chickens, Cows, Mammoths, Elk, and pheasants. Skyrim has the means to support itself and shows that it can and has before. Address all the issues you can, and point out where my argument isnt as strong and it will help me in the end. Remember there are 3 of you and one of me. Im not b*tching Im just making it evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echoside Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) I'd like to put down for the record I'm not really for or against either side because both sides have slim to none chance of over coming what the Aldmeri are going to bring to the table in the end. Well, unless Dovahkiin just runs around using Bend Will on everyone. I just like pointing at holes in some of the reasoning in your arguments. Edited February 27, 2013 by Echoside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It helps. I wish I could take a neutral stand point but I agree more with the Stormcloaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echoside Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) It helps. I wish I could take a neutral stand point but I agree more with the Stormcloaks. If Ulfric wasn't such and uncaring @** and a racist, I'd agree with them too. If the Empire wasn't the last corrupt remnant of a greater age I'd agree with them. In the end all this time wasted on infighting with each other is really just fattening the pig for the Aldmeri to kill. Edited February 27, 2013 by Echoside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll agree with that but thats why were debating. Im sure you've noticed, we have strong opinions and beliefs. I wish I could fix Ulfric. I really do. Not kill him but erase some of his mistakes if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echoside Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll agree with that but thats why were debating. Im sure you've noticed, we have strong opinions and beliefs. I wish I could fix Ulfric. I really do. Not kill him but erase some of his mistakes if you know what I mean. When I actually play I like to think that fighting for Ulfric as a Stormcloak was really more of me setting myself up for become High King and later on reforming the Empire again under a new Dragon Blooded Dynasty, kinda RPing a second coming of Talos. I outlined it in the other topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I wish that would be the case. I like to think that the moot will vote you high king and even Ulfric will agree to it. He respects you and loves you as his kin. Talos is your character in truth. Or your him I guess I had that backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayyyleb Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 So your attacking me again? Okay. That doesnt bother me. The Vikings werent self sufficient but my example was with the matter of trade. It will exist no matter what. I gave a theory as to what might happen in the next war. Like I said Bethesda doesnt like to make things simple (This forum is the perfect example) Bethesda like to keep us guessing. Who's to say the Dragonborn doesnt spawn daedra to kill the AD's army? Who's to say Alinor doesnt just all the sudden sink or something else catastrophic. Im just saying these things are possibilities. My apologies on saying you missed Falkreath, I must have missed it. I dont ignore arguments. I read all of them. The fact of the matter is, is that the Empire cannot support all the issues its facing. Skyrim has a few but still can manage itself. And yes, Skyrim has temperate climates as well, very lush in Deer, Chickens, Cows, Mammoths, Elk, and pheasants. Skyrim has the means to support itself and shows that it can and has before. Address all the issues you can, and point out where my argument isnt as strong and it will help me in the end. Remember there are 3 of you and one of me. Im not b*tching Im just making it evident. I don't have to address any of these because I already did. I already addressed the hunting. Already addressed the temperate Skyrim holds and their relation to the province's overall food logistics which at their absolute best even out with no surplus (better not have a bad harvest). You aren't bringing up anything new but you are repeatedly bringing up new tangents that really aren't relevant. I even went in-depth on this and you're still just saying "nuh-uh" as a rebuttal which is hardly convincing. We can argue "what if's" all day about how the war will turn out but it doesn't lead anywhere because for every pro-Stormcloak what-if we can easily invent an Empire what-if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer81 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) @Stormcloak117 I'll agree with that but thats why were debating. Im sure you've noticed, we have strong opinions and beliefs. I wish I could fix Ulfric. I really do. Not kill him but erase some of his mistakes if you know what I mean. Ultimately, a proper Stormcloak is an "obedient", "zealous", servant of Ulfric Stormcloak. Not necessarily of Skyrim. The hidden truth to that ~ is you serve his every want and desire FIRST. Remember my little run in with Sithis earlier? If you are to *truly* be a Stormcloak, then you must submit yourself to their war, to their cause and to view the world "only" as they see it. I will not relinquish my freedom and/or my individuality to Ulfric or his "charasmatic crew". This is not really about Skyrim or Talos, this is about Ulfric. True, I serve the Emperor, but I've also sworn to protect and serve *every* citizen of the Empire. This would include protecting them from the Thalmor and then the WGC becomes a grey area. But I'm no politician, I didn't sign the WGC and I don't support the Thalmor. Most of us in the Legion are the same. This war will end and one day the world will no longer care about the WGC and the truth of both causes will speak for itself. Ulfric really has no cause without the WGC. I would also say the Empire still has a glorious future ahead of it, we just have to keep faith in it. Ulfric is messed up, truly a "hot mess" and he will lose in the end, dragging as many others down with him as he can.Ulfric will lose, his fate is sealed and as far as the Stormcloaks go, even on here, "Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes". Edited February 27, 2013 by StormHammer81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) @ Kayyyleb Your right. I am repeating old arguments because I see no need to create new ones. Im not denying your argument but Im not going to just say "Oh your right. Jeeze I see how wrong I was. Looks like I'll switch sides." No. Im not like that. We obviously will never see eye to eye and never convince each other. So in other words were wasting each others time. I personally dont care too much about what views you have (In this case. Im sure your a decent person. We only know each other through our arguments). Im just making sure the Stormcloaks are represented as well. So attack me and my arguments all you like but I'll never believe for a second that what I hold dear is in anyway wrong. Edited February 27, 2013 by Stormcloak117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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