Jaguarnaut Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Personally i fnd it sadly indicative of the state of affairs in our culture that skyrim has plenty of murder, gore and finishing moves but not even a scene of two characters lying together unclothed. Why not some seduction/ pimping quests? :tongue: Anyway, I'm only level 20 so I may have missed something naughty! You can see plenty of cold-blooded violence and blood in mainstream entertainment rated OK for teenagers but little in the way of full nudity or sex. In many ways mainstream films and games train people to be soldiers and to deal with people who get in their way with force, primarily. I've noticed that after days and nights of long hardcore sessions with sandbox style games like skyrim, I find myself with a slight tendency to mistake the real world for another game and become impatient with certain people, wishing I could just blast them out of my way or teleport somewhere else, and so on. Now, I don't regard myself as a violent person and can count the number of fights i've been in my life in the fingers of one hand, and they were scuffles, really.... So the content of these games does matter IMO, because of brain imprinting/entraining issues, especially when combined with sleep deprivation and inadquate nutrition! I'm glad Skyrim is popular , because it is primarily based on imagination rather than testosterone, but COD is much more popular, I think. So, even though I don't care for a "clean" Skyrim -or any other radical alterations of this flawed masterpiece - I am definitely up for some kind of censorship system geared towards 3D games centered on continous violence... Just because violence sells doesn't mean people should be selling it.there are actually studies in which the results clearly prove that violent video games have no ill effects on people who aren't already predisposed to violence. Yes but there are probably other studies that prove that a lot of males of all ages ARE predisposed to violence. Edited January 13, 2012 by Jaguarnaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaguarnaut Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Thinking about it, removing the gore while keeping the fights may be worse in terms of psychological effect-or lack of. If you slash someone with a sword it's gonna cut and bleed and do serious damage, and you must see that to understand what you've just done. What's great in Skyrim is that brute force DOESN'T work most of the time. You cannot just blast characters and creatures out of your way to advance in the game. Even the easiest to kill will dodge and come at you from behind. The game forces you to be inventive and there are often ways to minimize direct confrontation... Still, too much murder, not enough romance , humour, or serious puzzles. Edited January 13, 2012 by Jaguarnaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMcNemo Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thinking about it, removing the gore while keeping the fights may be worse in terms of psychological effect-or lack of. If you slash someone with a sword it's gonna cut and bleed and do serious damage, and you must see that to understand what you've just done. What's great in Skyrim is that brute force DOESN'T work most of the time. You cannot just blast characters and creatures out of your way to advance in the game. Even the easiest to kill will dodge and come at you from behind. The game forces you to be inventive and there are often ways to minimize direct confrontation... Still, too much murder, not enough romance , humour, or serious puzzles.This is a good point... By removing the blood/gore from the game you remove the consequences of the violent actions... Stabbing someone with a knife or shooting them with fire is considered 'a bad thing to do' in any book and removing graphic depictions of those actions and what happens afterwards will *not* teach that lesson. If you want to remove the gore, you should remove the fighting and killing. This is why a lot of people are pointing out the "M" rating... the killing is more or less the POINT of playing, and therefore will be very difficult to extract. I'm certainly not saying that the goal of the OP is unworthy; on the contrary... the market needs more child-friendly games, and full-family-friendly games (something parent may play with child and everybody gets just as much enjoyment out of it). I'm just thinking that Skyrim won't be the practical choice for a starting point. The game *engine*, sure, but not Skyrim itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cppcooper Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Which is worse? Removing blood or adding more realistic effects to show the negative consequences. Do you think it would leave more of an impression to remove blood and other visual effects of violence.. or would making games even more realistic in terms of the gore and effects possible on bodies; perhaps slashing somebody and their intestines falling out. It is true that you are obviously removing the visual consequences to an action by removing blood.. but children aren't retarded. Since the popularity of personal computers kids are getting smarter and smarter in comparison to how intelligent children were mere decades ago. I personally find it sad that "adults" could ever possibly mistake reality for another game. What people will be imprinted with is whatever they fixate on. If they are playing the game and fixate on the violence, those are the related synapses that get strengthened. If you skip every dialogue that ever comes up in game, that action gets imprinted into you memory.. and then when you talk to.. REAL people and that option isn't available and they are boring you.. you will wish that you had a fast forward button. It is really simple, it is about the person.. not the content. The person requesting this mod thinks or knows his parents will buckle if the requested mod existed. He would probably just disable it when they are out though.. Parents are dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiovSalvatore Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) First of all, thanks everyone for no flames. I am happily surprised :tongue: . I've noticed that after days and nights of long hardcore sessions with sandbox style games like skyrim, I find myself with a slight tendency to mistake the real world for another game and become impatient with certain people, wishing I could just blast them out of my way or teleport somewhere else, and so on. Now, I don't regard myself as a violent person and can count the number of fights i've been in my life in the fingers of one hand, and they were scuffles, really.... Woah. Just woah... The person requesting this mod thinks or knows his parents will buckle if the requested mod existed. He would probably just disable it when they are out though.. Parents are dumb Uh no, that's part of the mod point of the mod. Personally we don't want the gore and violence anyways. Btdubs :tongue: , you guys were talking about mods already for this. I found this Mod . Anything else? Also, I have heard the sexual content is not that bad/prevalent. Is this true? Thanks,OP Edited January 15, 2012 by Zeusfuze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cppcooper Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 "I really appreciate rubbletrouble's and Sojan's no blood mods for Oblivion. My parents are kind of overprotective about things like this. These mods made the difference in whether I could play Oblivion. 4 of my friends also are in the same boat and use these mods. We can't play Skyrim because of a similar situation" "parents are kind of overprotective" Such a sentence might lead somebody to believe that you do not share such a belief.. and that when given ample opportunity, you might go as far as to disable the mod. There is zero sexual content. Other than cleavage which I don't find very sexual, you'll make a better tent walking down the street than you will playing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allephus Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 - Word Of The Day -Facetious:Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant Thanks, I learned something. It is true, Americans will complain about a company protecting their credit cards from hackers by requiring secure passwords. Dumbasses; but so does everybody, so really all people are stupid, no exceptions.. me included.. I don't know how to talk kindly to people. My sentiments exactly.....then again I'm just a bitter ol' SFB.... Which is worse? Removing blood or adding more realistic effects to show the negative consequences. Do you think it would leave more of an impression to remove blood and other visual effects of violence.. or would making games even more realistic in terms of the gore and effects possible on bodies; perhaps slashing somebody and their intestines falling out. It is true that you are obviously removing the visual consequences to an action by removing blood.. but children aren't retarded. Since the popularity of personal computers kids are getting smarter and smarter in comparison to how intelligent children were mere decades ago. I personally find it sad that "adults" could ever possibly mistake reality for another game. What people will be imprinted with is whatever they fixate on. If they are playing the game and fixate on the violence, those are the related synapses that get strengthened. If you skip every dialogue that ever comes up in game, that action gets imprinted into you memory.. and then when you talk to.. REAL people and that option isn't available and they are boring you.. you will wish that you had a fast forward button. It is really simple, it is about the person.. not the content. The person requesting this mod thinks or knows his parents will buckle if the requested mod existed. He would probably just disable it when they are out though.. Parents are dumb This is probably one of the best points made. There's already a way to turn off blood effects through .ini anyway. Whether you do this or not is up to you. I haven't looked into it but you can essentially change the zoom on your map, the blood effects, and much more just by editing the .ini. I'd like to change the zoom on the map, if I can find out which function it is, or the appropriate mod. But that's completely beside the point.While "Parents are dumb" reminds me of the teenage representation in one of the recent South Park episodes, it's accurate enough when you're dealing with overprotective people who have little understanding of just what they're protecting their kids from. With the impending generalization that people will have poor judgement based off of their experiences from a surreal environment, in an age where ten-year-olds possess IPHONES (the most evil invention next to Disney television), it's hard to say whether protecting your child is even possible. Totse, 4chan, [adult swim] forums, and so many other sites and "organizations" that "meme" new, and vulgar things everyday also practice and impose upon many a sense of maturity. Suffice it to say...kids are not only smarter....but they're more responsible...(relatively speaking...teenagers will always be the dumbest, and parenthood will always yield the most ignorance). It's ignorant to even suggest that this wouldn't be a waste of time. If you take the blood away from the movie Hostel....will it be appropriate for a child to watch? Like I said before...you have the option to mod your game with very exaggerated sexual themes, and soon possible visual intercourse. You have the OPTION to mod your game to where you can kill children...given that you probably haven't (OP), and probably won't, wouldn't it be enough just to play the game with a bit of discretion? Dumb question, I know. A real question would be...wouldn't it be enough to discuss it with your parents? After all...that's why there is a Mature rating to this game. It requires parental consent. Modding the game won't change that. :psyduck: At least...not when your parents will likely be hearing cries of pain and people begging for mercy, and then getting right back up to betray you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saker277 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Skyrim is an M rated game. Not that I am one of those people that is all weird about kids playing M rated games or anything, but if you are under 17 you technically shouldn't be playing M rated games anyway. A clean skyrim would be no fun, the blood and sexual content(there is hardly any of that) make it fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWolf Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Skyrim is an M rated game. Not that I am one of those people that is all weird about kids playing M rated games or anything, but if you are under 17 you technically shouldn't be playing M rated games anyway. A clean skyrim would be no fun, the blood and sexual content(there is hardly any of that) make it fun.The rating system is purely a suggestion and not really worth much beyond that. Reality is parents should be checking out what their kids want to read, watch, and play if it really means that much to them. As for this particular player's parents disagreeing with gore, I can't say I'm particularly sympathetic. Instead of everyone splurting out delicious raspberry jam this mod will make people splurt out nothing, which is to say the gore in this game isn't remotely believable without mods anyway. Edited January 17, 2012 by NorthWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel0 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 the pegi rating (www.pegi.info) on the game box (in europe) gives skyrim an 18+ rating, meaning not suitable for players younger than 18. and there's a violence warning next to that rating. pegi is known to be stricter than necessary in their ratings.imho there's nothing in skyrim that 14-15 year old kids -like the OP's presumably are- have not seen before on television.you can turn a lot (but not all) of the gore off in the ini file, but censoring the game contents will not only be a tedious task, it will make skyrim a game world that the developers never intended. if bethesda wanted a non-violent game accessible to 6 year olds they would have named it 'the sims : the vikings, mages, elves and dragons'.on the other hand, if/when the CK comes out, maybe there is somebody out there who has the time/knowledge/resources to change skyrim into a narnia-like adventure game.so i'll vote yes to the OP, but i wouldn't install the mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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