Crash on Loading or Creating saves for FO3 & NV...

[Apoqsi]

Hey everyone,

 

So I was hoping for some assistance on this one as I've fixed and been modding my Fallout 3 & New Vegas since launches.. But I have not ever had nor heard of this issue. (at least not exact)

 

Essentially, both Fallout 3 & New Vegas crash on loading any saves, or even creating new saves. Doesn't matter whether it's a fresh install of the game with all links to the games being wiped or whether I try all the bug fixes/mods to resolve common crashing issues. I've been trying to resolve this for days now but I've been having no luck. It seems like the d3d9.dll for New Vegas worked for a period but the second I add any mods it goes back to crashing... Which if I was just trying to play the vanilla game I'd be fine with. It seems to be something with the rendering of the game engine but I'm not sure how to go about resolving it permanently without the flawed d3d9 fix. I was hoping someone that has knowledge on this issue could assist me in fixing it as I'm beginning to go insane not being able to play these games.

 

I'd like to add that both of these game used to run on my system but I have not ran them for awhile so I'm unsure of how long it's been an issue.

 

Any help is much appreciated! Thank you!

[dubiousintent]

What version of Windows are you running?

 

Do you have Steam installed to the default "C:\Program Files" folder tree? If so, please read the "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article in my signature and move it.

 

What "d3d9.dll fix" did you implement? Have you tried without it?

 

Are you using the ENB "wrapper"?

 

When you "fresh installed" the game did you rename the INI files in the "Users" folder?

 

The most likely reason you are having problems now is due to patches and updates to the OS in the meantime.

 

-Dubious-

Edited August 20, 2016 by dubiousintent

[Apoqsi]

What version of Windows are you running?

 

Do you have Steam installed to the default "C:\Program Files" folder tree? If so, please read the "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article in my signature and move it.

 

What "d3d9.dll fix" did you implement? Have you tried without it?

 

Are you using the ENB "wrapper"?

 

When you "fresh installed" the game did you rename the INI files in the "Users" folder?

 

The most likely reason you are having problems now is due to patches and updates to the OS in the meantime.

 

-Dubious-

I'm running Windows 10.

 

I have all of my Steam games installed on my G Drive which is a 1TB SSD for just games.

 

I implemented the Nvidia d3d9.dll from this page I believe (http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34778/?) I have tried a vanilla game with no fixes, fixes, anti-crash mods, etc. Basically many varieties just to see if I could get it to even work vanilla... which it can't for neither New Vegas or Fallout 3. (Fallout 4 and every other game works perfectly fine)

 

I have tried all variations of my fix methods with and without ENB. It has no affect on whether or not it crashes on load. I tend to not have it installed and currently have just the vanilla games installed to start fresh after posting this.

 

I didn't "rename" the files, in fact I just wiped everything. Mods, saves, ini's, anything related to the game to try and fix the issue as I had tried many fixes.. none of which had seemed to work so I tried starting fresh with it still not being fixed.

 

Thanks for the response! :)

[dubiousintent]

Under the circumstances it is essential you just work on getting a vanilla game to the point where it will let you create a save. Don't even use FNV4GB until you get that far, so as to not confuse the issue.

 

Are you getting ANY error messages? Since it has been a while, did you remember that you have to launch the "Steam Client" first, even if you run in "off-line mode"?

 

Are you having problems with any other Steam games?

 

Windows 10 gives fits to many older games. So check the Windows Event Viewer and see if there are any errors reported under either "Applications" or "System" that can be linked back to the game or the time you experienced issues with the game.

 

This link covers a number of things others have tried to get around Windows 10 issues. OTOH, one player noted that their problem cleared up when they "disabled" compatibility mode and stopped running the game as "administrator".

 

The following is my preferred solution for older games under Win10:

• For advanced users: If you have a Windows 10 Education, Professional, or Enterprise edition you can use the included Win10 Hyper-V system and try running the game in a Win7 "virtual machine". See HyperV on Windows compatibility for the hardware requirements and a walk-through of the installation process. Note this requires you to have or obtain an ".iso" file of the desired OS install media. (If none of this option makes sense, you probably don't want to mess with it. Otherwise, educate yourself as it is beyond the scope of this wiki.)

-Dubious-

Edited August 21, 2016 by dubiousintent

[Apoqsi]

Under the circumstances it is essential you just work on getting a vanilla game to the point where it will let you create a save. Don't even use FNV4GB until you get that far, so as to not confuse the issue.

 

Are you getting ANY error messages? Since it has been a while, did you remember that you have to launch the "Steam Client" first, even if you run in "off-line mode"?

 

Are you having problems with any other Steam games?

 

Windows 10 gives fits to many older games. So check the Windows Event Viewer and see if there are any errors reported under either "Applications" or "System" that can be linked back to the game or the time you experienced issues with the game.

 

This link covers a number of things others have tried to get around Windows 10 issues. OTOH, one player noted that their problem cleared up when they "disabled" compatibility mode and stopped running the game as "administrator".

 

The following is my preferred solution for older games under Win10:

• For advanced users: If you have a Windows 10 Education, Professional, or Enterprise edition you can use the included Win10 Hyper-V system and try running the game in a Win7 "virtual machine". See HyperV on Windows compatibility for the hardware requirements and a walk-through of the installation process. Note this requires you to have or obtain an ".iso" file of the desired OS install media. (If none of this option makes sense, you probably don't want to mess with it. Otherwise, educate yourself as it is beyond the scope of this wiki.)

-Dubious-

So you suggest getting a clean save with the d3d9.dll file fix just for now? I have a clean working vanilla save but even that has no luck as soon as the d3d9 file is a goner.

 

I do not get ANY error messages, just to go load up an old or to create a new game and during that first load screen (about when I would normally load into the game) it just crashes with the "FalloutNV has stopped working"

 

I am not having any issues from any other steam games I have tested (over 20) even with other DX9 games. Skyrim, Oblivion, and Fallout 4 all work. So this issue is only on Fallout 3 & New Vegas which I find very odd...

 

When I check the Event Viewer, it does come up with the application error for New Vegas but I'm personally unsure of what this error means.

 

Faulting application name: Skype.exe, version: 7.26.64.101, time stamp: 0x578693c0

Faulting module name: Skype.exe, version: 7.26.64.101, time stamp: 0x578693c0

Exception code: 0xc0000005

Fault offset: 0x0064c487

Faulting process id: 0x2d54

Faulting application start time: 0x01d1fa5001e4b639

Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe

Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe

Report Id: ac20ac1f-b770-41a3-a727-f350e8a1f7b2

Faulting package full name:

Faulting package-relative application ID:

 

I'll go ahead and check out the last two things you linked and if either of which can resolve my issue!

 

Thanks again! :smile:

Edited August 21, 2016 by Apoqsi

[Purr4me]

install this please (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/LIVE/PC/DownloadClient) and don't use that dll file any more. windows 10 is stopping the game because the file in use is not signed.

 

windows is preventing you from accessing the stream is controls. fallout 3 and NV both require the data I present here.

 

OR you can use the Pink link in my signature, either one will work.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Purr4me

[Apoqsi]

install this please (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/LIVE/PC/DownloadClient) and don't use that dll file any more. windows 10 is stopping the game because the file in use is not signed.

 

windows is preventing you from accessing the stream is controls. fallout 3 and NV both require the data I present here.

 

OR you can use the Pink link in my signature, either one will work.

Odd.. I installed this GFWL you linked and still no luck. Even tried restarting my system afterward. I'm still getting the same error in Event Viewer. :/

 

Thanks for the suggestion though! :smile:

 

Edit: Rolling back to an older NVIDIA driver and doing a clean install for the driver/geforce to ensure it's not a driver issue.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Apoqsi

[Apoqsi]

@dubiousintent @Purr4me I love you both right now. You both pointed me in the direction of the issue! I had tried rolling back my drivers already and that hadn't helped whatsoever... but I looked up the Exception code: 0xc0000005 and one of the causes can be corrupted graphic driver installations and it seems like my issue was EXACTLY that and doing the clean installation via the driver installer worked. Honestly have been going insane not being able to get these two games to work and you both helped me a ton in finding the issue and I would have never even thought of using Event Viewer for fixing this issue. THANKS A TON! LOVE YOU BOTH! :dance:

[Purr4me]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=5549

that 3.5 version and it should work. The reason the game won;t allow you to redue an in game run is due to xlive controls.

 

It is count achievements so no, your now going to be allowed to do it. but there is a workaround to shut down xlive while having the data called for at the same time.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/ajax/downloadfile?id=1000020909

 

that's fomm, a forked version that has all 3 xlive disablers in it;s packages and you can use it's installer or copy the 3 xlive files from it's installed data folder directly into the game main folder next to the engine.

 

your suffering from xlive DRM .

 

I had this problem on one of my laptops. It's very common issue.

[Purr4me]

what corrupted the drivers?