If Sarah Lyons was in Fallout 4

[CelticVikingDragon]

I really hated that bethesda just brushed off Sarah Lyons and made the Eastern Brotherhood become like Western Brotherhood and possibly even like the enclave. Here's an alternate plot line that someone wrote that i imho think should be a dlc like Broken Steel in FO3 or in the original game in the first place. http://lejacquelope.tumblr.com/post/134267561386/spoilers-fallout-4s-plot-dropped-the-ball

Edited August 21, 2016 by CelticVikingDragon

[Stygs]

I agree that her offscreen death after Broken Steel is lame and I would have loved to see more F3 characters return, but I dont think that she was that great of a character to have her play a major role in a DLC.

 

And having Veronica appear would be incredible lame :/

Edited August 21, 2016 by Stygs

[barrettsfloyd]

Personally, I'm glad they offed her and returned the POS BOS to something a little closer to what they should've been all along.

 

Besides, I think we all had a sneaking suspicion with Arthur's presence in FO3, that it was inevitable he would be the leader and not Sarah.

[Perraine]

I agree, that killing of Sarah, was a bit of a copout, however I also agree that she wasn't Elder material - She was a good soldier/NCO, but she wasn't cut out to be the Leader of the BOS.

 

It might have been nice if Bugthesda had given the player the option to take over the BOS after killing Arthur, and maybe also given the option of changing them back into being "good guys" not child murdering, unthinking, uncaring butcher's.

[Wunderbot]

I agree, that killing of Sarah, was a bit of a copout, however I also agree that she wasn't Elder material - She was a good soldier/NCO, but she wasn't cut out to be the Leader of the BOS.

 

It might have been nice if Bugthesda had given the player the option to take over the BOS after killing Arthur, and maybe also given the option of changing them back into being "good guys" not child murdering, unthinking, uncaring butcher's.

 

There are sound files that suggest you were able to do this. You can probably find it on youtube somewhere. The files are of Danse and Maxson and the scene appears to be that after *spoiler*

sparing Danse in Blind Betrayal, you and Danse return to Maxson to confront him and you challenge Maxson to a duel for leadership of the Brotherhood. I'm glad they didn't implement it in this manner, because it sounds not like the Brotherhood at all that they have a rule about duels deciding who their Elder is, especially since some Elders are... well, old and thus easily defeated. It's a shame they didn't give us other options though.

 

And I agree on Sarah Lyons. Her dying soon after becoming Elder doesn't bother me, because it fits who she was. She wasn't Elder material at all and would likely make several big mistakes due to her sometimes naive belief in mankind that could end up costing her life. I just wish they actually made that story go somewhere. Like if you explore more, you'd discover terminal entries that imply her death was orchestrated by a group of Brotherhood fanatics who wanted to install Maxson as Elder in order to return to the old days.

[CelticVikingDragon]

 

I agree, that killing of Sarah, was a bit of a copout, however I also agree that she wasn't Elder material - She was a good soldier/NCO, but she wasn't cut out to be the Leader of the BOS.

 

It might have been nice if Bugthesda had given the player the option to take over the BOS after killing Arthur, and maybe also given the option of changing them back into being "good guys" not child murdering, unthinking, uncaring butcher's.

 

There are sound files that suggest you were able to do this. You can probably find it on youtube somewhere. The files are of Danse and Maxson and the scene appears to be that after *spoiler*

sparing Danse in Blind Betrayal, you and Danse return to Maxson to confront him and you challenge Maxson to a duel for leadership of the Brotherhood. I'm glad they didn't implement it in this manner, because it sounds not like the Brotherhood at all that they have a rule about duels deciding who their Elder is, especially since some Elders are... well, old and thus easily defeated. It's a shame they didn't give us other options though.

 

And I agree on Sarah Lyons. Her dying soon after becoming Elder doesn't bother me, because it fits who she was. She wasn't Elder material at all and would likely make several big mistakes due to her sometimes naive belief in mankind that could end up costing her life. I just wish they actually made that story go somewhere. Like if you explore more, you'd discover terminal entries that imply her death was orchestrated by a group of Brotherhood fanatics who wanted to install Maxson as Elder in order to return to the old days.

 

 

Well, Become an elder with Sarah as a 2nd in command, I would've also like to be to talk Maxon into stepping down with speech checks. Then again, 10 years passed between FO3 and FO4 so, Sarah might have become wiser over the years and became elder material.

Edited August 21, 2016 by CelticVikingDragon

[charwo]

Sarah Lyons is not the only character from the Brotherhood of Steel I would have loved to see more of. A more intersting thing than Sarah being a dead elder would have been her as a disgraced elder who took the helm after her father's death and just wasn't cut out for it/ forced out by the old gaurd.

 

It would have been awesome to see a few of the Outcasts, like Protector McGraw or even a Paladin Casdin on board the Prydwen as senior officials.. Casdin in particular could be all kinds of arrogant and smug in his victory. Really dig in the claws when he tells you what Rivet City gave up when it was required to give the Prydwen it's nuclear reactor. And wouldn't it have been a blast Danse was instead Initiate Pek (from the Lost initiate unmarked quest) who was your companion and the sntyh in Fallout 4?

 

Of course, I would have preferred meeting someone from Mothership Zeta to confirm it as canon.

[Perraine]

Well, one theory is that Casdin actually did orchestrate the demise of Sarah, and perhaps even her father and maybe a few of the other possible candidates such as Star Paladin Cross fer instance.

 

Lets' face it, they didn't exactly come across as "good guys" at the end of Operation Anchorage. They pretty much behaved, just as Maxim (and the rest of the BOS bucket heads) do now I just can't bring myself to enjoy playing the BOS path in FO4, they are all just such a bunch of arrogant, condescending a$$holes.

 

I didn't mind the BOS in FO:NV, they were arrogant, and standoffish, but they were open-ish to outsiders, and they certainly weren't the baby murderers that Bugthesda has turned them into

[RattleAndGrind]

I have never been fond of the BoS, they are just to damned xenophobic for my tastes. That; coupled with their on-again-off-again adherence to the Codex just makes the BoS look hypocritical and ineffective. And Sarah was just one more BoS Knight, so I do not miss her.

[CiderMuffin]

Well, one theory is that Casdin actually did orchestrate the demise of Sarah, and perhaps even her father and maybe a few of the other possible candidates such as Star Paladin Cross fer instance.

 

Lets' face it, they didn't exactly come across as "good guys" at the end of Operation Anchorage. They pretty much behaved, just as Maxim (and the rest of the BOS bucket heads) do now I just can't bring myself to enjoy playing the BOS path in FO4, they are all just such a bunch of arrogant, condescending a$$holes.

 

I didn't mind the BOS in FO:NV, they were arrogant, and standoffish, but they were open-ish to outsiders, and they certainly weren't the baby murderers that Bugthesda has turned them into

Or you know, Lyons died because he was an old man and Sarah died in a battle against super mutants. I don't get this obsession with thinking "it's some major conspiracy!" for Maxson to take over. It makes little sense.

 

Christ, No-Bark's conspiracy theories make more sense.