thesapien Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 actually since playing skyrim I now cant even stand the thought of playing a high elf anymore. I used to be a high elf fanatic.its kind of like the online game rift where they destroyed the idea of fairies for me skyrim has really shown a new light of the high elf I pretty much despise. I go out of my way to destroy them when I see them wandering around. Yeah, it's not the only game (or fictional work) that has been ruining my childhood image of elves. Why? I used to imagine myself as an elf. But, especially with Skyrim, elves are now these big, ugly creatures that don't even remind me of elves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 To bad the belief that men don't belong on Tamriel is false. Nirn was made by Lorkhan so EVERYONE could achieve The eternal I. Thalmor don't respect Lorkhan's doing. They, like many of those who didn't stick around to become the divine, saw him as a trickster (based on Loci in Norse Mythology). According to their telling of the story, Lorkhan didn't tell everyone that their powers would deteriorate if they followed his plan. So they escaped back to their realm. Akatosh and others then made the decision Lorkhan's plan was worthy and willingly gave up much of their powers as a sacrifice. So the Thalmor feel tricked and betrayed and hope to return things back to what they see as normal. Talos was the first to demonstrate how Lorkhan's plan was meant to work; that this realm was meant as a new ground for achieving a novel kind of greatness. (not indorsing any of the above, personally, nor saying any of it is "truth", just passing on some of my reading of the conflicting lore, not sure if any of the scholars do or could know the truth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky999 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I don't hate the Thalmor outright, I respect their right to believe that there are only eight divines and that Talos never became a literal god, but what I can't stand is to see them walking around, in the land of the Nords no less, escorting Nords in their own homeland to be tortured and killed purely because they are worshipping a god who was a man. If they were in Summerset Isle and felt the same way, then fine, they're in their own homeland and they can think whatever they want, but the second they invade other races' lands and start abducting them then they need to die. Edited January 17, 2012 by Sky999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lessabos Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thalmor didnt invade Skyrim, they just help Empire to honor White-gold concordat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thalmor didnt invade Skyrim, they just help Empire to honor White-gold concordat Which the Empire never really did honor in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Many Nords believe that is just where they fell from the sky or entered, not created there.Actually they believe the Sky, AKA Kyne, breathed them into existence there. I have not seen one Nord, or one book, saying they "fell" there. That would still suggest they came from the sky, no? Children of the Sky is a book that explains why Nords feel like invaders and no kinship with those they conquer. It also explains why they can learn shouting, like as you said, because they were shouted into existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't hate the Thalmor outright, I respect their right to believe that there are only eight divines and that Talos never became a literal god, but what I can't stand is to see them walking around, in the land of the Nords no less, escorting Nords in their own homeland to be tortured and killed purely because they are worshipping a god who was a man. If they were in Summerset Isle and felt the same way, then fine, they're in their own homeland and they can think whatever they want, but the second they invade other races' lands and start abducting them then they need to die. Is it any better when Nords do this to each other? Remember the torture chambers in the opening sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) That would still suggest they came from the sky, no? Children of the Sky is a book that explains why Nords feel like invaders and no kinship with those they conquer. It also explains why they can learn shouting, like as you said, because they were shouted into existence. Actually Kyne and Paarthurnax taught the Nords to shout, with Kyne giving the Nords the ability to shout and Parth giving them the training, during the Dragon Wars, the Nords had existed as a race for some time before then. Also I said they were breathed into existence, not shouted. Edited January 17, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 That would still suggest they came from the sky, no? Children of the Sky is a book that explains why Nords feel like invaders and no kinship with those they conquer. It also explains why they can learn shouting, like as you said, because they were shouted into existence. Actually Kyne and Paarthurnax taught the Nords to shout, with Kyne giving the Nords the ability to shout and Parth giving them the training, during the Dragon Wars, the Nords had existed as a race for some time before then. Also I said they were breathed into existence, not shouted. "Actually" you say? As if we could know which source is more accurate? Hey, read the book yourself. I'm not just making this stuff up. console "coc qasmoke" and find Children of the Sky in the book bin. I'm not saying the book trumps any lore from other sources. They are all merely just sources, to me. I specifically said "many Nords believe..." without saying what they believe is ACTUALLY the fact of the matter. Many Nords also believe Skyrim is THEIR home, as if they were never invaders. So this book seems to be speaking about an earlier generation of Nords and what they believed. Anyway, it was pretty clear in associating the shouting of them into existence and their ability to learn and be trained in shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) The book Children of the Sky makes no mention of when they gained their ability to shout, only that they have it. I was just pointing out that they did not get it when they were created as you implied, but instead during the Dragon Wars. Edited January 17, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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