Anyone else LOVE the Thalmor?

[AndrewWaltfeld]

ya do realize they say numerous times that they are gearing up for war with the empire right

You do realize they allready got the army to take over, right?

yes, however they basically imply that they are going to violate the peace treaty and start the war again. Ergo, they are gearing up for war. They be finishing what they started. If I was a member of the loyal empire, I would not be loyal to them. I be loyal to the empire. As it stands now, I pretty much stand with the empire. Heck as far as I am concerned, I'm already declared war against them. :)

[BarefootWarrior]

ya do realize they say numerous times that they are gearing up for war with the empire right

You do realize they allready got the army to take over, right?

yes, however they basically imply that they are going to violate the peace treaty and start the war again. Ergo, they are gearing up for war. They be finishing what they started. If I was a member of the loyal empire, I would not be loyal to them. I be loyal to the empire. As it stands now, I pretty much stand with the empire. Heck as far as I am concerned, I'm already declared war against them. :)

 

Yeah, and it certainly blows my theory about staying neutral. I have issues with both sides, guess it is going to come down to the lesser of two evils? I dunno...

 

Excuse me, I am going to go hunt some Thalmors... :devil:

[AndrewWaltfeld]

 

 

Yeah, and it certainly blows my theory about staying neutral. I have issues with both sides, guess it is going to come down to the lesser of two evils? I dunno...

 

Excuse me, I am going to go hunt some Thalmors... :devil:

Empire isn't that evil. It's certainly is equally evil as the storm-cloaks. To be honest, between the three fractions (thalmor, empire, storm-cloaks), empire is probably the lesser of three evils. However what gave me food for thought was that I sat down and thought, well what happened if the storm-cloaks win? Thalmor then invade. What would happen? The nords alone can not win. It's already been proven that, as skyrim was with the empire in the initial war. So what makes the storm-cloaks able to beat the thalmor on their own? the dova king? I know I'm special and all, but I ain't no god. Realistically, The thalmor would just clean house.

 

Now what happens if the empire wins? stomcloaks are defeated, peace returns to skyrim. Empire withdraws the majority of its army from skyrim and preps for Thalmor invasion. The empire is united again and one entity. Thalmor then invade, skyim pitches in for defense obviously. Results? unknown. All I know for certain is that realistically, siding with the storm cloaks just weakens both the empire and skyrim. Other than plot armor, the thalmor would probably have a gauntee victory in the event of storm-cloaks winning.

 

That's just my thoughts on it and why I kill every thalmor I see. I'm already at war with the thalmor as far as I am concerned. *shrugs*

Edited November 28, 2011 by AndrewWaltfeld

[BarefootWarrior]

 

 

Yeah, and it certainly blows my theory about staying neutral. I have issues with both sides, guess it is going to come down to the lesser of two evils? I dunno...

 

Excuse me, I am going to go hunt some Thalmors... :devil:

Empire isn't that evil. It's certainly is equally evil as the storm-cloaks. To be honest, between the three fractions (thalmor, empire, storm-cloaks), empire is probably the lesser of three evils. However what gave me food for thought was that I sat down and thought, well what happened if the storm-cloaks win? Thalmor then invade. What would happen? The nords alone can not win. It's already been proven that, as skyrim was with the empire in the initial war. So what makes the storm-cloaks able to beat the thalmor on their own? the dova king? I know I'm special and all, but I ain't no god. Realistically, The thalmor would just clean house.

 

Now what happens if the empire wins? stomcloaks are defeated, peace returns to skyrim. Empire withdraws the majority of its army from skyrim and preps for Thalmor invasion. The empire is united again and one entity. Thalmor then invade, skyim pitches in for defense obviously. Results? unknown. All I know for certain is that realistically, siding with the storm cloaks just weakens both the empire and skyrim. Other than plot armor, the thalmor would probably have a gauntee victory in the event of storm-cloaks winning.

 

That's just my thoughts on it and why I kill every thalmor I see. I'm already at war with the thalmor as far as I am concerned. *shrugs*

 

That is why I like this game, it does make you think. You brought up some interesting points on this subject, some I had already thought of. I like this. :thumbsup:

[Matth85]

A massive war between the Thalmor and the Empire, after gathering strength after the destruction of the Stormcloak.

Now that would be intense!

[zarxark]

Meh, I'm playing a neutral merc so if the Talmer would hire me to do something I do it, and same for the Empire. But now I can't decide which side to pick for the questline..

[capngagi]

f*** the Thalmor comin' straight from the underground

Pursecutin' Redgaurds cuz we bown

Ain't sayin nuttin' bot' no Titus Mede Two

But these f***in Thalmor be hurtin' my crew

[Khorak]

However what gave me food for thought was that I sat down and thought, well what happened if the storm-cloaks win? Thalmor then invade. What would happen? The nords alone can not win.

 

This isn't even implied, so I have no idea why everyone just decides this is so.

 

It's already been proven that, as skyrim was with the empire in the initial war. So what makes the storm-cloaks able to beat the thalmor on their own? the dova king? I know I'm special and all, but I ain't no god. Realistically, The thalmor would just clean house.

 

Skyrim was not with the Empire in the Great War, what the Empire did was recall their Skyrim legions. This is vastly different to the potential efforts of Skyrim as an independent nation. With the massively warlike culture of the Nords, combined with new resolve to commit to war with the Thalmor if you choose to side with the Stormcloaks, there is no particular reason to believe that Skyrim cannot easily field an army equal or even superior to the broken Empire (an Empire which has suffered endless catastrophes, topped off with being demolished by the Thalmor the last time round). As a comparison, the Roman Empire never outnumbered its 'barbaric' northern foes on the field of battle. We are seeing something similar; the Empire is in massive decline, exactly like it's real life inspiration was, and is not capable of standing up to even their own former provinces.

 

Perhaps everyone is forgetting that Skyrim is the place from which men conquered Tamriel; the Nords created the First Empire of the Nords, which established men as foremost on Tamriel. They didn't conquer Cyrodill because the north of it wasn't worth the effort. The random, Draugr raising Redguard lunatic I murdered for the Forgemasters Fingers was right in describing it as a sleeping bear. Under the Empire Skyrim has sat, sleeping, letting the Legions march about. If you side with the Stormcloaks, Skyrim will marshal itself again.

 

Now what happens if the empire wins? stomcloaks are defeated, peace returns to skyrim. Empire withdraws the majority of its army from skyrim and preps for Thalmor invasion. The empire is united again and one entity. Thalmor then invade, skyim pitches in for defense obviously. Results? unknown. All I know for certain is that realistically, siding with the storm cloaks just weakens both the empire and skyrim. Other than plot armor, the thalmor would probably have a gauntee victory in the event of storm-cloaks winning.

 

It does not weaken Skyrim to leave the Empire, since the Empire has already shown it not only cannot adequately defend itself anymore, but that it will outright abandon territory, the now ancient homes of its own people, because the Imperial City didn't want to sack up and keep going. Hammerfell was abandoned, stripped of Legionaries in order to retake Cyrodill, which is fair enough, but the Redguard who fought to deceive the Thalmor army there so that the Emperor could surprise the enemy in the Imperial City were utterly betrayed when the Empire didn't come back afterwards, choosing instead of abandon their loyal subjects to subjugation once their precious Imperial City was safe.

 

Again, the Jarls weren't even consulted about the peace deal. Clearly the Empire didn't even try asking Skyrim to step up, they just shafted them. And now, Skyrim is rising up, and it's rising up powerfully enough to (if you side with the Stormcloaks) hurl the Empire straight out....and they're not finished, Ulfric is planning a continuing rearmament in order to go pick a fight with the Thalmor.

[Tweetybird]

Except for one minor detail that you may have missed, Khorak.....have you played the quest part with the party yet? If not, don't read this.

 

 

Ulfric is a Thalmor tool. The Dossier regarding him in the "detainment" area of the embassy talks in detail about it. The longer the Empire and the Stormcloaks fight, the more their resources are spread thin and the easier it is for the Thalmor to come in and take over the whole thing outright.

 

[Nimno]

I like all the races, but hate the Thalmor. I kill them on sight unless they are in a city's keep or the like. There doesn't seem to be anyone (race or faction) that likes them. Only the Thalmor like the Thalmor, even other Aldmer resent them.