Why we remember Morrowind as the best

[Trey5511]

If you absolutely feel the need to ignore my point, then you may do so.

 

I don't think I ignored your point, I called it misdirected and filled with assumptions and general statements about the people you're addressing.

[Nukerunin]

I have only one real major problem with Skyrim. That being that I'm forced to have shadows that look like they belong on Calicovision if I opt for longer distance rendering. An exaggeration, I know, but valid nonetheless. The idea of such a engine mechanic and the retardation the devs must suffer to allow something like that to be in their final product for a PC release in this day and age, just blows my mind. Textures blurring into mush when I'm close to them even with super sampling AA and High Quality AF also irks me. After the dawn of Crysis, nonsense like that is no longer acceptable. Devs really need to stop catering to console playerbases, and start having seperate projects covering console and PC platforms.

 

That being said, I think Skyrim's actual gameplay is pretty sweet. I found Oblivion to be a big bore from the moment I played it. So much, that I didn't even get passed the first town when it was released. I spent probably two weeks straight modding my Morrowind, and probably a few months playing it between all the expansions. I recently went back to play Oblivion again with all the new mods out, and discovered it was the biggest pain in my ass to mod ever. Load orders, two-three different programs to install mods, and even then, you'd be lucky if all your mods worked properly. Such a giant waste of time compared to modding Morrowind. Fortunately Skyrim seems to follow more in Morrowind's ease of application style when it comes to modding so far. It's just horribly unoptimized graphically, and the engine is severely outdated. Give Skyrim a 64-bit exe, full DX11 support, and get those modding tools released, and you'd have yourself a game of the decade within about a few months.

[Matth85]

It's adressed at certain people who voice their concern too much. If you feel you are one of them, then by all means. Otherwise, this is simply the better way to get of a point in a relevant topic.

I also explained every "assumption", and nailed that good enough. I do not try to hit down everybody that loves morrowind, as I allready explained. I simply try to avoid anymore of the "I want morrowind X in Skyrim because I like it!" kind of posts. I that is offensive in some way, I apologize.

 

I might got misunderstood, but I am kind of trying to get this topic back on track and leave. If you want to keep discussing with me, mind taking it in a PM? This topic got a topic, and I believe you/they have the right to keep having it :)

 

Cheers,

Matth

[Lachdonin]

Know what i hated about Morrowind?

1; Those damn Ordinators

2; Vivec City Cantons

3; 'N-n-n-n-n-Nerevarine!"

4; Cliff Races

5; Trying to navigate a Telvanni tower as a Warrior... Seriously, fekking mages...

 

Despite this, i still think Morrowind was the best. I think there are two reasons for this. I can't say it was my first RPG, because i had played Final Fantasy, Landstalker, Shining Force, Arena and a dozen other RPG style games beforehand, but it was the first one i really got into. I loved the story. i loved the unique world. I loved rising through the ranks of the guilds, the political intrague of the Houses, and the fact that the world seemed very much alive.Oblivion was even more alive, and Skyrim moreso again, but as they say, you always remember your first time, and Morrowind was the first game that, to me, had the depth of a novel with the interactivity of a video game.

 

The second reason is Morrowind's uniqueness. Until then, i had a rather closed image of what constituted a 'fantasy world'. Morrowind shattered that image, and opened the doors of my imaginations. What i now understand as High Fantasy ceased to be the center of my fictional universe, and i was free to explore endless worlds, environments and cities, populated by strange plants and stranger wildlife. Neither Skyrim nor Oblivion can match that feeling, and fall back to the same type of High Fantasy people are used to. The only other game i have played with a similar, perspective changing world, was WoW; Burning Crusade. *

 

Morrowind had its faults, don't get me wrong. Magic sucked. it really, really did. Still, it was the fact that it opened my mind and allowed me to explore worlds i had never before dreamed of. No other TES game had managed to acomplish the same thing.

 

 

 

 

*Arena lacked the technical capabilities to really represent Morrowind in the same way as its self-named game, which is why id didn't have the same impact on me.

[dorkSIDES]

P.S. People who started playing Oblivion says Oblivion is best. People who started playing in daggerfall says it is the best. Proudly wearing 'dem rose tinted glasses is a trend today!

 

Becauseno one could possibly like Morrowind or Oblivion more than Skyrim without having a memory distorted by nostaligia, right? Just like people will have the wrong opinion in the future when they like Skyrim more than TESVI.

 

I hope an elitist mocks you in 2014 for "wearin' 'dem rose tinted glasses" for Skyrim being your favorite.

 

Oh, but I'm sure you'll be an exception to the rule and buck this "trend."

 

Right?

Nice-Takes care him for just about anyone.

 

I never got into Morrowind so any opinion on it would not be valid as I was playing Halo as a kid when it was out, lol. But I did play Oblivion on its original release and I liked it best because of the sense of magic the game had, Skyrim does not have that for me-and before any people say it is because I am older I smash that theory by saying how I felt it rejuvenated by TW2.

Skyrim does not fill me with that feeling of limitlessness that Oblivion did, I can't get lost in this game for many reasons.

[Pushkatu]

Cheers,

Matth

 

You don't sound offensive to me(I guess that's why we see so many snarky replies, some people will never let it go, not me). It's just your opinion and I respect it. I'm not nostalgic about Morrowind, becouse when I play Skyrim I don't think "hey...I wonder how would this or that would have looked like back in Morrowind". I can't since I'm enjoying the game to much(reading topics and posts around here, now that brings back some memories). Also, you're right it is my memory and I do cheer it, but so do others with theirs, in ways similar to mine or completly different, it's all about tastes. What we do here, is nothing but sharing those feelings with others. Nobody is perfect, that's why some folks cross the decent line of communication and find a counterargument(in a rude way) for every opinion others have. We need to accept that other people might have different opinions than we do. As long as it's a decent conversation and no one gets flamed over his/her opinion, I'm happy, heck sometimes we can even learn good things from each other. We have all joined this place, becouse we love these games, so we have at least something in common, even if our opinions are more or less different. :thumbsup:

 

Also, please understand that English is not my native language, so my posts might seem weird, simply becouse I can't write exactly what I think.

 

 

 

Cheers and beers,

Pushkatu!

Edited November 28, 2011 by Pushkatu

[bpestilence]

The first time I played Morrowind, I stopped after an hour of being killed by rats and netches. The game was too complex and undirected for anyone to just pick up and start playing. It wasn't until I played it the second time (months later), where I said to myself, "okay, I am going to figure out how to play this game"

 

Then I loved it. The infinite complexity, the fact that there was always a dozen ways to complete a single task. The fact that the complexity meant that there were dozens of ways to "cheat". The soulbind glitch, oh how I loved that! If I ever got stuck fighting a really tough enemy I could summon an army of golden saints and let them take the attrition.

 

I also loved the fact that there were few "level based" creatures, so if you were a low level character, you were limited not by the random creatures walking around, but by the areas you could go, because over that next hill was an Ascended Sleeper.... Then there was the fact that constant effect enchantments were rare and expensive, and had a strong chance of failing when you attempted them. Remember that Azura's star with a grand soul in it was worth 150,000 septims!

 

But, on the same token, it was easy to break the immersion and gameplay. I had some characters whose acrobatics were so high than I could jump over cantons in Vivec.

 

Now, on the same token, I love both Oblivion and Skyrim, for their own reasons. Sure, they are "dumbed down" some, and a lot of the randomness has been removed. But they are also very easy for someone new to the series to get into. Skyrim, for example, has created actual stress. Whenever I fight a tough enemy, it actually gets my blood pumping!

[utherix]

I just replayed Morrowind last year.

->The story is better. Spoiler, you become Jesus, and people treat you like it too. Unlike in Skyrim where you are treated like a child even though you are the savior of the universe or whatever for killing a bunch of easily defeated and identical dragons.

->There are more quests and the quests have more of an effect on the world. (not much but more than Skyrim and Oblivion)

->more guilds, and the guild quests actually feel quite epic at times and last a while, and give meaningful rewards and even meaningful titles

->there are more skills and items, and thus more ways to play the game

->it still plays and looks like a modern RPG, unlike Daggerfall

->beautiful and unique places, landscapes, and creatures

->They didn't need to use voice actors, so the dialogue is more unique to each character, you can have conversations that progress logically, and the characters don't treat you like an idiot like they do in Skyrim

->it is more immersive. all these things together make for a more immersive experience,

->the list goes on and on.

Edited November 28, 2011 by utherix

[Oomo]

P.S. People who started playing Oblivion says Oblivion is best. People who started playing in daggerfall says it is the best. Proudly wearing 'dem rose tinted glasses is a trend today!

 

Becauseno one could possibly like Morrowind or Oblivion more than Skyrim without having a memory distorted by nostaligia, right? Just like people will have the wrong opinion in the future when they like Skyrim more than TESVI.

 

I hope an elitist mocks you in 2014 for "wearin' 'dem rose tinted glasses" for Skyrim being your favorite.

 

Oh, but I'm sure you'll be an exception to the rule and buck this "trend."

 

Right?

 

I gave you Kudos for that post :D

 

I find it amusing that people call us exploiters when we play the game the way it was meant to and find it way too easy. Exploits are taking advantage of issues that the devs havn't fixed yet. The massive hand holding in Oblivion and Skyrim is fully intentional and playing it that way is NOT exploiting.

[elricshan]

well i started in skyrim but i still think skyrim is best...