Heavily (Carefully) Modded Game Crashing (On Load or Start) on a Gaming Rig

[saurusmaximus]

 

Gamer Poets video on Merge Plugins covers everything and is really well done :laugh: .

 

Even better! :thumbsup:

[NeekoDeeko]

Hi guys, thanks again for your help.

 

Here is a link to my load order in modwatch as requested: http://www.modwat.ch/u/NeekoDeeko

I've also changed the OP.

 

Here's an update on my progress:

 

As darstyler suggested, I've changed ExpandSystemMemoryX64 to false in enblocal.ini. This fixed the problem where my game was crashing before I even reached character creation.

I had been through that helpful dangerous mods list before I made this post and I know that there are no mods in my load order from that list.

I've used the merge plugins program to merge like plugins and reduce my load order down to 219 active plugins (rather than 242), and its getting harder to find mods that seem merge-able.

I have completely uninstalled the mods I described earlier, not just merely unchecked their plugins.

 

Despite all of this, my game is still crashing in the exact same places (on load of a save or when the mods initiate in the Alternate Start cell immediately following character creation). I will try to create my character and then install my mods after to see if that works. I will also try to keep merging plugins until I can get my active plugins down under 200.

 

Any other suggestions for me?

 

 

 

...It's a sad feeling to spend days in 3rd party programs and editing files while still being locked out of one's favorite game ;( Thanks for your help and support guys.

[Project579]

Load order seem is pretty good is unorganized but i don't see mods on wrong spot consider checking with TES5Edit if some mods are making edit where they shouldn't.

The use this to organize your load order:

#01: Your ESM Files;

#02: Bug-Fix type Mods;

#03: Game Structure and/or UI Mods:

#04: Character Appearance Mods (For NPCs and Self);

#05: Mods that Add and/or Change Locations; *

#06: Mods that Add and/or Change Items;

#07: Mods that Add NPCs;

#08: Texture Mods;

#09: Environmental Mods (things like Climates of Tamriel, Sounds of Skyrim, etc.);

#10: Mods with Gameplay Changes; Then,

#11: Reproccers, AV, and Bashed Patches.

Original: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/753253-only-you-can-prevent-forest-fires/

When you make the load order be sure the place every patch after all the mods that it is associated to.

(I say it because a saw this issues in you load order).

Edited August 27, 2016 by Project579

[Darkstyler35]

Have you checked LAL troubleshooting on the overview page ? There's something about the bed crashing :

• <Quote LAL = The game crashes whenever I use the bed! Don't tell me this isn't your fault either. Surprise! It's not my fault either.

The only known cause for this is using a body mod with a mismatched skeleton that's not compatible with it. When the bed is used, your character gets stripped of the prison clothing and your new equipment is added based on what you started as. It is this process that causes the issue when a skeleton mod that doesn't match the body is used. Something to do with bones the body mod is looking for that the skeleton doesn't have. Oddly enough, this tends to only happen on female characters. I have no idea why that is.
If this just confused the s*** out of you, you're not alone. I don't use body mods. The only advice I can offer is to contact the authors of the body mod you're using and find out if it's compatible with the skeleton you're using. Trust me, you'll know if you're not using the vanilla skeleton because it requires installing one separately.
Again, since I don't know body mods, it's possible you just need to be sure that if the body mod comes with one that you're using that instead of something else.>

• Selective loading : untick 50% of your mods, beginning by the end of your load order and start a new game. Then depending on if the problem occurs again or not, increase /decrease the remaining loading mods to find the culprit.

[NeekoDeeko]

Hi guys, thank you so much for all your help!!!! I've fixed it, and I figure I should post what I did so that others with the same problem who stumble upon this post might find something useful:

 

1. Merged some like plugins (mods that added character creation assets, armors, RS Children and RealWater Patches) and deleted others, including some redundancies (Run For Your Lives and When Vampires Attack are unnecessary with Immersive Citizens, AI Overhaul, and the Seadog armor is already included in Immersive Armors... etc.) until I got my active plugins down to 180 (becomes most unstable above 200 as someone mentioned earlier)

2. Sorted with LOOT

3. Cleaned any ITM records that I was warned about in LOOT with TES5Edit

4. Built a TES5Edit Merge Patch

5. Built a Wrye Bash Merge Patch (AUTO GHOSTING ON!!!)

7. Sorted with LOOT again (just in case!)

8. Opened up the data tab in the Skyrim launcher through steam (this seemed to finalize the ghosting and ensure that skyrim didn't load up inactive plugins that were added to merges)

9. Launched Skyrim through SKSE

 

WARNING: This did not allow me to load any old saves where my load order was any different at all. Not even if I "cleaned" my saves. Not sure why, but it didn't matter to me because I was willing to start from scratch.

 

10. (THIS STEP WAS THE KEY) When creating a new character, I quickly picked the race and gender I wanted and then immediately named the character, not even picking a preset or spending any time in character creation (aside from race, gender and name, you can edit all of the rest later on with ~showracemenu without any problems at all) then, (MOST IMPORTANT PART) I opened the character menu ("Tab" or, for me, "B" on the X Box controller) and stayed in that menu for a few seconds until a few mods loaded up (4-6 seconds) and then closed the menu.

 

Then it worked! I am able to save and load without an issue, the game is stable and does not crash. The only hard part is getting through character creation. Whenever I deviate from these rules, I crash (i.e. If I spend too much time in Character Creation, if I leave the character menu open too long, if I open the character menu more than once instead of ONLY ONCE as mods are loading.)

 

I have added and removed mods following this system and it has consistently worked. I have created 8 characters and played them all throughout Skyrim this way with no problems.

 

 

Thank you to all who helped, and I will now give myself to the service of other modders and put this knowledge to use!

Edited September 3, 2016 by NeekoDeeko

[Darkstyler35]

You're welcome. You've done a good job troubleshooting your game.

Happy gaming.