Soresu Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I had to ask this, cause I want to know what others think about the dragon fights. They are bit too easy I believe. The "Oh so mighty dragons" are wee bit puny. When I killed my very first dragon in the beginning of the game with a few hits, with some arrows here and a basic fire spell there, I was thinking "well, that was fairly easy, I bet it gets harder later" but it didn't. On the contrary it got easier, the fights became shorter and shorter as I go further in the game. I really think it's disappointing cause you know the game is about fighting dragons (mostly) and they die so easily I feel like I'm cheating. I kinda feel sad when killing them, every time I spot one in the distance I keep thinking "Fly away silly and save your skin." I mean alright I know my character is a Dragonborn, the ultimate Dragon ass kicker, but shouldn't those battles be more challenging and epic that we earn the soul we absorb from the dragons, without making it feel like yet another Soul Trap ? Maybe a mod can fix this, making dragons a bit harder to kill without touching the general difficulty setting of the game. But thinking about how common the dragon encounters become later in the game it might get a bit irritating for high level characters I can understand that. Maybe the type of dragons can be a factor in this ? Common "Dragons" easier to kill while "Blood Dragon" for instance are harder to kill. I don't know, what do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolves425 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Dragons can be somewhat hard to kill when its in the air. Once you get it down on the ground they is pretty much an easy kill. I think they could need more hit points and do more damage. fire and ice breath dont do much as all. especially when you have a decent lvl and enchantments on your armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachcuden Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 More health and damage wouldn't make it any more fun. So repetitive and boring now imo. The game looks and feels great and all but there's so little to do. Sure theres 500 hours of gameplay, if you crawl everywhere. Theres not much enjoyable gameplay. Until modders fix it. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soresu Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Dragons can be somewhat hard to kill when its in the air. Once you get it down on the ground they is pretty much an easy kill. I think they could need more hit points and do more damage. fire and ice breath dont do much as all. especially when you have a decent lvl and enchantments on your armor. Harder to kill cause they are harder to hit when they're in the air. And like you said with the right skills (like Elemental blocking skill) breathing attacks from dragons are a joke while your shield raised. It's all about how strong they are when they land. Increasing the melee attack of dragons could be fair, cause seriously, a creature that size and strength would be immensely powerful in close combat. More health and damage wouldn't make it any more fun. So repetitive and boring now imo. The game looks and feels great and all but there's so little to do. Sure theres 500 hours of gameplay, if you crawl everywhere. Theres not much enjoyable gameplay. Until modders fix it. Hopefully. I agree about the fights being repetitive, but killing dragons with 3-4 power attack is a bit unjust. That's my opinion of course. Increasing (slightly) the armor,hp or damage of dragons could make the fights more challenging, and thus more fun. I like difficult fights, it forces me to use alternative tacts, spells and weapons, making the game a bit more interesting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadedOnPsycho Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think they could at least use some more HP. I was exploring wilderness at ~lvl 19 and came across a dragon by surprise (looked like he was sleeping). Instead of freaking out as one would expect when finding a dragon right around a corner I sprinted in, used my initial basic shout and power dbl-wielded him to pieces before it really even woke up. Not exactly the epic battle I was expecting, don't even have enchanted weapons yet. Some more (double maybe?) HP would at least give them a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoreai Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 In my opinion combat is the same as in oblivion, you hack and slash and light things on fire...basic, with the exception of a few perks, you basically will be doing this for the rest of the game...there just isnt any reall progress in combat other then, that enemies have more hp and do more dmg...there are enviroments that could be used for many things in fight but they mostly end up being eye-candy. You have a few killing moves and thats it, after some time its bound to get repetitive and since many things are unfinished or just half-baked work, the epicness quickly fades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhughes Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think Pavy has got it right - the combat is too basic and it means Dragons can't be ashard to fight as they should be. As for aerial combat with them it would just be plain annoying if all they did was fly around and burn you (hence the Dragonrend shout) In the new mod (see sig) I'm looking at doing I'm going to research into better dragon fights - maybe even mounted from another dragon. As always ambitious but crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlizenDize Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I don't know what game you guys have been playing but Skyrims dragons are HARD. Now I can agree that they aren't perfect and the attacks are so frequent it becomes dull but in challenge there are some variables you must consider. I play a mage on Master difficulty. Sure a warrior with skills that raises resistance on shield blocks can take some fire or cold breath but I must put my enchantment points on lowering magicka cost. Dragons breath one shots me, thats right one continous breath and I am dead. Now that doesn't mean I will die every time a dragon breathes fire or ice on me though. No I just have to be quick with the heal before my HP gets too low, thats is excitement to know you have ~1-2seconds to heal up or your dead, possible longer if you find a pillar to hide behind. As for dragons being weak when it comes to physical fighting i'm also not sure what you are talking about. At least on Master if I get too close to a dragon he will grab me by the neck and throw me in the air assuring I die. The same goes if I am on an open field and a dragon comes flying I need to find cover Quick! Or he will do a glide and grab my character, take me up in the air and let me fall like a rock. Also instant death. This is without even mentioning all the NPCs that dragons kill for me if I do not kill them fast enough. I've already had the blacksmith and blacksmiths wife killed in riverwood due to dragon attacks (I tried to load the game to prevent the blacksmith from dying but he died again and again :(). But even so it's quite remarkable with a game that allows that type of freedom for NPCs. I'm not trying to defend dragons in Skyrim because I would have prefered that they arrived way later in the story as now they are just tideous with their constant spam if I may call it that. But I really must disagree with the easy part, dragons are anything but easy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soresu Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) I don't know what game you guys have been playing but Skyrims dragons are HARD. Now I can agree that they aren't perfect and the attacks are so frequent it becomes dull but in challenge there are some variables you must consider. I play a mage on Master difficulty. Sure a warrior with skills that raises resistance on shield blocks can take some fire or cold breath but I must put my enchantment points on lowering magicka cost. Dragons breath one shots me, thats right one continous breath and I am dead. Now that doesn't mean I will die every time a dragon breathes fire or ice on me though. No I just have to be quick with the heal before my HP gets too low, thats is excitement to know you have ~1-2seconds to heal up or your dead, possible longer if you find a pillar to hide behind. As for dragons being weak when it comes to physical fighting i'm also not sure what you are talking about. At least on Master if I get too close to a dragon he will grab me by the neck and throw me in the air assuring I die. The same goes if I am on an open field and a dragon comes flying I need to find cover Quick! Or he will do a glide and grab my character, take me up in the air and let me fall like a rock. Also instant death. This is without even mentioning all the NPCs that dragons kill for me if I do not kill them fast enough. I've already had the blacksmith and blacksmiths wife killed in riverwood due to dragon attacks (I tried to load the game to prevent the blacksmith from dying but he died again and again :(). But even so it's quite remarkable with a game that allows that type of freedom for NPCs. I'm not trying to defend dragons in Skyrim because I would have prefered that they arrived way later in the story as now they are just tideous with their constant spam if I may call it that. But I really must disagree with the easy part, dragons are anything but easy :) You are right about variables. I'm playing a Battlemage with more skills in combat though. I use my spells only when the situation demands it, and I go with shield/sword combination most of the time. So when I spot a dragon, I use a few medium level spells to force them on the ground and then go melee directly, finishing it off in mere seconds. That may be a whole different case for a pure mage. But I have to ask .. I killed so many dragons I lost the count. I ALWAYS force them to attack me on open field, as that's where I shine as melee. Never once a dragon picked me up in the air and drop me to my death. Never. How's that possible ? They do execute the grabbing and throwing with their jaw finishing move though. Maybe because I'm never at low hp when the dragon is in the air ? Edited November 30, 2011 by Soresu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadboyz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I don't know what game you guys have been playing but Skyrims dragons are HARD. Now I can agree that they aren't perfect and the attacks are so frequent it becomes dull but in challenge there are some variables you must consider. I play a mage on Master difficulty. Sure a warrior with skills that raises resistance on shield blocks can take some fire or cold breath but I must put my enchantment points on lowering magicka cost. Dragons breath one shots me, thats right one continous breath and I am dead. Now that doesn't mean I will die every time a dragon breathes fire or ice on me though. No I just have to be quick with the heal before my HP gets too low, thats is excitement to know you have ~1-2seconds to heal up or your dead, possible longer if you find a pillar to hide behind. As for dragons being weak when it comes to physical fighting i'm also not sure what you are talking about. At least on Master if I get too close to a dragon he will grab me by the neck and throw me in the air assuring I die. The same goes if I am on an open field and a dragon comes flying I need to find cover Quick! Or he will do a glide and grab my character, take me up in the air and let me fall like a rock. Also instant death. This is without even mentioning all the NPCs that dragons kill for me if I do not kill them fast enough. I've already had the blacksmith and blacksmiths wife killed in riverwood due to dragon attacks (I tried to load the game to prevent the blacksmith from dying but he died again and again :(). But even so it's quite remarkable with a game that allows that type of freedom for NPCs. I'm not trying to defend dragons in Skyrim because I would have prefered that they arrived way later in the story as now they are just tideous with their constant spam if I may call it that. But I really must disagree with the easy part, dragons are anything but easy :) You are right about variables. I'm playing a Battlemage with more skills in combat though. I use my spells only when the situation demands it, and I go with shield/sword combination most of the time. So when I spot a dragon, I use a few medium level spells to force them on the ground and then go melee directly, finishing it off in mere seconds. That may be a whole different case for a pure mage. But I have to ask .. I killed so many dragons I lost the count. I ALWAYS force them to attack me on open field, as that's where I shine as melee. Never once a dragon picked me up in the air and drop me to my death. Never. How's that possible ? They do execute the grabbing and throwing with their jaw finishing move though. Maybe because I'm never at low hp when the dragon is in the air ? Yes, it's just a finishing move like any other, with a random chance of executing provided the attack will kill you in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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