A Communal Letter to Bethesda Softworks LLC

[darthsloth74]

Well I initially assumed they had included it to begin however the back of the UK box states 2GB RAM required, so maybe they never had any intention of 64bit support.

[hipolipolopigus]

Well I initially assumed they had included it to begin however the back of the UK box states 2GB RAM required, so maybe they never had any intention of 64bit support.

That's the required stats. The recommended stats say 4gb and quad-core (Which isn't supported either, apparently. You need to set iNumHWThreads manually). Silly, silly Bethesda :rolleyes:

[Brittainy]

The reason this will fail is because, despite the legitimate complaints re: 1.2, people here are still complaining about the colour of their character's hair FFS.

 

Put yourself in Bethesda's shoes for a second - who would YOU listen to?

So the fact that we've taken a huge step back from Oblivion functionality doesn't matter at all? Because we have an opinion on something relatively minor, all of our other opions on important things (Which aren't important to BethSoft anyway... See 500+ buglist) are moot?

 

Please leave or come back with a nice opinion :happy:

 

I'm sorry that you have misunderstood my last post. My point was: yes there are problems with the game, but the fixes need to be prioritized.

 

Hair colour is not a priority - it can be modded.

 

You may have a better chance of success if you create a list of issues, then selectively remove those that can be solved by modding. I prefer to see the gameplay issues fixed BEFORE cosmetics.

 

Just an opinion. You are free to ignore it.

 

:)

 

 

stimresp, with all due respect, I used the character creation system as an example of backwards evolution.

 

(And yes, on the side, it IS important to me. I waited years for complete customisation of my characters and going backwards is frustrating.)

 

You're talking about fixing bugs...bugs are to be expected and will usually get patched up. I'm talking about the fundamental elements of the game. The UI, the game-play, the characters, the graphics. They should NOT be left to the modding community to such a huge degree.

 

At the very least, the foundation of the game - buggy or not - should be as solid and expansive as possible. The evolution from Oblivion to Skyrim is minimal. And in some ways it's gone backwards and become WORSE than Oblivion.

 

Anyway, we all have different priorities. I think underneath the bugs Skyrim is heavily flawed. And I just don't agree with the notion that modders should be relied upon to make a game good. Mods should enhance the game...they shouldn't have to fix 50% of it or more.

 

Bethesda had years between Skyrim and Oblivion to fix the things that people complained about.

 

Remove all the issues that can be fixed by modding? You are entitled to that opinion :turned: To me that is just saying "fix the bugs but let the modders take care of the rest of the s*** in the game. If they want a decent UI and more in depth gameplay than 5-year-old modded Oblivion, they can do it themselves."

 

:thumbsup:

 

Anyhow, as I said, I only added the hair and character creation because it's A:) An appropriate example of backwards evolution. And B:) A very accurate example of laziness and lack of quality on the part of the people who created it. (It can't even compete with 5-year-old - and even older - modded hair for the Sims 2 and Oblivion.)

 

You can nit-pick about what content is more important, but frankly I think 5 years between games and plenty of inspirational mods is enough to show how the basics SHOULD be done - from the big things right down to the little ones.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to want Skyrim to use more than 2gb of my RAM.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to want a UI that is appropriate and functional for the pc.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect textures of a higher resolution for the pc version.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a good looking character with a full set of face sliders and all the colours of the rainbow to choose from for their hair and eyes, not to mention some LONG hair with a decent quality texture.

 

And I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to want a game made 5 years after its predecessor to be a HUGE improvement over the last installment.

 

The author of this thread can and will add whatever they want to their letter. All I'm doing is offering an opinion :thumbsup:

Edited December 1, 2011 by Brittainy

[hipolipolopigus]

stimresp, with all due respect, I used the character creation system as an example of backwards evolution.

 

(And yes, on the side, it IS important to me. I waited years for complete customisation of my characters and going backwards is frustrating.)

 

You're talking about fixing bugs...bugs are to be expected and will usually get patched up. I'm talking about the fundamental elements of the game. The UI, the game-play, the characters, the graphics. They should NOT be left to the modding community to such a huge degree.

 

At the very least, the foundation of the game - buggy or not - should be as solid and expansive as possible. The evolution from Oblivion to Skyrim is minimal. And in some ways it's gone backwards and become WORSE than Oblivion.

 

Anyway, we all have different priorities. I think underneath the bugs Skyrim is heavily flawed. And I just don't agree with the notion that modders should be relied upon to make a game good. Mods should enhance the game...they shouldn't have to fix 50% of it or more.

 

Bethesda had years between Skyrim and Oblivion to fix the things that people complained about.

 

Remove all the issues that can be fixed by modding? You are entitled to that opinion :turned: To me that is just saying "fix the bugs but let the modders take care of the rest of the s*** in the game. If they want a decent UI and more in depth gameplay than 5-year-old modded Oblivion, they can do it themselves."

 

:thumbsup:

 

Anyhow, as I said, I only added the hair and character creation because it's A:) An appropriate example of backwards evolution. And B:) A very accurate example of laziness and lack of quality on the part of the people who created it. (It can't even compete with 5-year-old - and even older - modded hair for the Sims 2 and Oblivion.)

 

You can nit-pick about what content is more important, but frankly I think 5 years between games and plenty of inspirational mods is enough to show how the basics SHOULD be done - from the big things right down to the little ones.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to want Skyrim to use more than 2gb of my RAM.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to want a UI that is appropriate and functional for the pc.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect textures of a higher resolution for the pc version.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a good looking character with a full set of face sliders and all the colours of the rainbow to choose from for their hair and eyes, not to mention some LONG hair with a decent quality texture.

 

And I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to want a game made 5 years after its predecessor to be a HUGE improvement over the last installment.

 

The author of this thread can and will add whatever they want to their letter. All I'm doing is offering an opinion :thumbsup:

You. Are. Amazing. orz -Not worthy and such- :happy: :ohdear:

 

One more minor issue with the "Let the modders fix it to keep them busy" model... We don't have the CK and we won't have access to the CK until January . Amused I am not.

 

We are consumers.

We are legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us (... to tinker with or without your support, Bethesda :dance:)

 

Edit: I tried to comment on that blog post. Bethesda don't like that idea. Even their blog is horrible. For the record;

Is there going to be a CK beta? Given the current state of Skyrim (As amazing as it could/should/would be), I feel that exhaustive QA testing should become a BethSoft priority.

 

New subject line; Dear Bethesda Softworks LLC, please sell all rights to Skyrim and The Elder Scrolls to a company like Bioware or Lionhead :whistling:

Edited December 1, 2011 by hipolipolopigus

[Creosote999]

As much as some of the game I find dissapointing, the one aspect that I just cant get away from is how they could release the PC version with such a terrible UI. Its almost as though no-one tested it, and if they did and reported the many obvious failings, they were ignored.

Better textures would be nice, but I dont see it as central, but being able to actually play the game and control the chars and game is fundemental.

[darthsloth74]

Interesting that piece of info regarding the CK. Not the best of news but entirely justified considering how much crap they're taking over the update at the moment. To rush out the CK even though it may help them may also compound the issues. Hundreds of mods created with weeks, bug reporting a complete mess because of it. So understandable.

 

However its interesting to note how they didn't even acknowledge the unhappy state of many fans over the updates, their heads are clearly stuck in the sand. Good news is by the time everyone gets a fully functioning game and the CK comes out I'll have probably finished my current texture projects, so January gives me some time to be honest.

 

Brittainy: I know exactly how you feel, I feel the character generation options are incredibly limited in terms of looks and options and the game suffers as a result. I don't know if its me but all my characters feel the same due to the new dumbed down system.

[hipolipolopigus]

Interesting that piece of info regarding the CK. Not the best of news but entirely justified considering how much crap they're taking over the update at the moment. To rush out the CK even though it may help them may also compound the issues. Hundreds of mods created with weeks, bug reporting a complete mess because of it. So understandable.

 

However its interesting to note how they didn't even acknowledge the unhappy state of many fans over the updates, their heads are clearly stuck in the sand. Good news is by the time everyone gets a fully functioning game and the CK comes out I'll have probably finished my current texture projects, so January gives me some time to be honest.

 

Brittainy: I know exactly how you feel, I feel the character generation options are incredibly limited in terms of looks and options and the game suffers as a result. I don't know if its me but all my characters feel the same due to the new dumbed down system.

Perhaps... Let's hope we don't have another base-game crisis with the CK. Providing a closed beta for select developers (SKSE would get my vote :happy: I need their work for my SkyNet project :teehee:) would show that Bethesda learned from their mistake and it would also keep serious modders happy and able to deploy some CK-generated content for us :happy: I see no real downside to a closed beta of the CK. Sure, it may be leaked, but nonetheless...

Edited December 1, 2011 by hipolipolopigus

[sarnz]

I agree with the UI thing. At first I was like whatever... but the dual wield thing / hotkeys not working is SERIOUSLY getting old. It's completely broken and very annoying when I have to hit Q and click things instead of just hitting 1 or 2.

 

Also, when dual wielding weapons, when you holster you only have one on your side! Jesus christ! There are some things they must have just been like ehhhh whatever. I'm goin on break.

[XxTaLoNxX]

Just checking back in on this discussion and want my stance to be clear.

 

1. Brittany: You are awesome. I wish you were mine, please marry me? Just joking. I agree with everything you said.

2. Bethesda: Please for the love of the Nine, do yourselves a favor and invest more money in Q&A, you are starting to get a reputation. And it is NOT a good one. (IE, your games are a bug/glitch fest and any enjoyment is quickly overshadowed by sometimes game breaking ****-ups)

3. Hipo: No. If they sell the rights to Lionhead we get no free roaming world, just more invisible barriers and stupid crap like condoms.

[vertex23]

I stopped reading as soon as you said the letter was from behalf of their consumers. Don't put your words into my mouth.