Evilslay3r5 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 For all of those who says that this kind of action are useless... I will simply say, look at the Witcher 2, the fans complained about the game(and there was a huge list) what did the developpers of the game do?, they made a huge patch, that not only did correct the bugs, but also overhauled the combat, mutations and other game mechanics!! And they did it 3 months after the game was released!! And the Witcher 2 experience was largly improved! So don't say that it is useless... This implies that Bethesda made the Witcher 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosrex Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 For all of those who says that this kind of action are useless... I will simply say, look at the Witcher 2, the fans complained about the game(and there was a huge list) what did the developpers of the game do?, they made a huge patch, that not only did correct the bugs, but also overhauled the combat, mutations and other game mechanics!! And they did it 3 months after the game was released!! And the Witcher 2 experience was largly improved! So don't say that it is useless... This implies that Bethesda made the Witcher 2. Never said that Bethesda did the Witcher 2..,from where did you get that?... It's an example,that those kind of actions( community mail/complaint) arn't worthless,because thats what happened at the time with the Witcher 2 and Cdprojekt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilslay3r5 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 For all of those who says that this kind of action are useless... I will simply say, look at the Witcher 2, the fans complained about the game(and there was a huge list) what did the developpers of the game do?, they made a huge patch, that not only did correct the bugs, but also overhauled the combat, mutations and other game mechanics!! And they did it 3 months after the game was released!! And the Witcher 2 experience was largly improved! So don't say that it is useless... This implies that Bethesda made the Witcher 2. Never said that Bethesda did the Witcher 2..,from where did you get that?... It's an example,that those kind of actions( community mail/complaint) arn't worthless,because thats what happened at the time with the Witcher 2 and Cdprojekt. What I'm saying is that not all companies have the same policies. Just because Cdprojekt cares about their customers does not mean Bethesda does. I'm not saying Bethesda doesn't care at all, but I am telling you its a fact they care more about the money going into their wallets than our enjoyment of the game. Only need to say two words to prove this:"Horse Armor."People complained about all sorts of things in Oblivion all over forums across the web and Bethesda didn't do anything about them. I mean, it could happen, but history says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperTheLich Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Long time ago… galaxy far away, etc. i used to hold bethesda softworks with a bit of reverence. when oblivion came out (well when i actually purchased & played it that is)i was somewhat disappointed, that faded a bit with time though. with skyrim... let's just say this is the first time i've been disgusted with them. not just with the lackluster (i am using this term forgivingly, it's much, much worse) patch, it's how they're treating people on their forums as well. they seem to have turned into fascists, covering up anything anyone says about the current situation. and for the first time i'm thinking about making skyrim my last bethesda game, ever. a sad, sad day to me. Edited December 2, 2011 by Invisible Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipolipolopigus Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Guys, stop arguing in the thread, Jeez... Bethesda aren't CD Projekt and they behave with vast difference to them. We shouldn't expect the same result at all. I'm not saying that we won't get a result. If we do, it may not be a consequence of what we're doing here. I'm sure Bethesda are trying to remedy as many issues as they can (Admittedly, more than 500 in a released game is unheard of, even an initial release) and patch 1.2 certainly didn't help matters. Yes, my attitude's changed a little. Don't get me wrong, I'm damned angry at Bethesda for screwing up so badly. But I can understand the kind of position that they've gotten into by forcing the 11-11-11 release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxTaLoNxX Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 In my opinion I believe it is sometimes necessary to call a company out when they make a mistake, as fans who pay MONEY for products when MONEY IS TIGHT, we have to remind companies that their obligation is NOT to the almighty dollar but to the consumers. Otherwise when a company forgets this key principle and neglects fans and consumers in the name of making a quick buck, they could suddenly find themselves with NO MORE fans and NO MORE money. In today's market reputation is everything, so Bethesda needs to be reminded of this and be shown that the name they are making for themselves lately is NOT a good name or reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthsloth74 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well lets be honest Bethesda aren't exactly reknowned for their games reliability. You buy a Beth game you get bugs, simply due to the large open ended nature of their games. Yes they make a lot of mistakes and recently with Skyrim I agree entirely that far more strict QA should have come into play. To offer an impartial view though its also fair to say that a lot of complaints aren't actually complaints, simply badly directed rant fests that will not get their attention simply because no company will respond to swearing and anything that is worded inappropriately. Although the other side of the argument is that they clearly aren't listening to genuine bug reports either and are simply closing all posts that demonstrate bad press for their "GOTY" equally quickly. I would like to optimistically hope if we give them a month or two they may prove us all wrong and actually fix all these errors. Unfortunately that doesn't help the people who can't even play the game at the moment and yes I do feel very sorry for those people who have experienced that particular situation. I think its also important to understand that people may not see the bigger picture when they direct their venom at Pete Hines and Todd Howard holding them accountable. There is no proof that the development team aren't trying to do everything they can to remedy the situation. Maybe the Shadowy Executives who hold the reigns of power are insisting on a no comment policy and the development team is being restricted by red tape and management level decisions. Admittedly this point goes out of the window if you argue that they simply spent two weeks making the game increasingly bugged and not actually fixing anything but breaking it further. I think we should all keep a clear head and see what happens before we "impose the wrath of the people" on Bethesda's offices. We don't have all the facts. Also its not fair to compare CD Projekt with Bethesda. CD Projekt are a Polish development team with much smaller manpower and available budget. Bethesda's attitude is no different to any other large company and the only reason its on a lot of peoples mind is because of Skyrim's very high sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ransompendragon Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I am glad I stumbled on this thread. I have been poking around the web looking for tweaks, simple mods, etc. before finally settling down to play this thing most of the weekend. I haven't done that in ages! I appreciate what the OP is trying to do and maybe in some grand scheme it won't "accomplish anything." It doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. I have only 6 hours into the game itself and a few more in reading reviews, forums, etc. After the debacle that was DA2 my trust in all game companies--except CDProjekt--plummeted. Well, even CDProjekt had to redeem themselves after the fact. One of the things that sometimes gets lost on those who tell us we are whingey/nerd-raging/unrealistic/etc whiners is the fact that we 1. keep buying these games and supporting these companies and 2. are, generally, trying to be positive forces for improving the experience for all concerned. My current thoughts are around the whole (sigh), console versus PC. I understand the "bottom line" arguments. But I don't understand (any longer) the argument about consoles being easier (from the consumer point of view). PS3 and XBOX users still have issues too. And less recourse. I guess I don't understand either the users or the game companies. Technically the game is probably not a port but it wasn't designed for PC either. I didn't think a UI could be worse than DA2. I was wrong. I sort of understand (well not really) taking statistics out of the game but I don't understand adding smithing but taking out armorer (your stuff should wear out). I don't understand making all food non-ingredient for alchemy although I do understand alchemy "stations." Anyway, I don't have the game under my belt yet and I am trying to avoid spoilers. I think your letter is a good start but could be pages longer and would benefit from being beefed up with more details. I tend to try to compare a companies games more to their prior versus the current market. In that regard there was a lot about Oblivion that was not favorably comparable to Morrowind and Morrowind is still somewhat the standard to which I personally compare TES games (ultimately Oblivion probaby wins in terms of my time actually spent). So far Skyrim does not look like a leap ahead. It certainly does always seem to be such a mixed bag -- great additions and incomprehensible subtractions. For me personally other things take priority over gaming and I still have a shelf full of things not played, installed or finished so one triple-A RPG every couple of years is fine with me. It won't matter to the game companies that I don't preorder anymore and more and more will be waiting for GOTY-editions. Maybe we are getting to the point where the pendulum will start swinging back to the PC and to substance in games? I can hope, but I doubt it. The rise of the gadgets has really just begun and the drive for the almighty dollar is fiercer than ever. By no stretch am I unhappy with my purchase and if I didn't think this was going to be an interesting, involving way to spend my time I simply wouldn't-- but it is also more interesting to poke at things than to simply sit around going "wow, a dragon!" In the end there will always be BG and Nethack. cheers,ran (apologies if you made it through that meandering stream of consciousness and didn't find anything that made sense, I only play single-player games but really enjoy the online communities that go with them--there is something nice about sharing the experience) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansSword Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1297205-unofficial-buglist/ MG, what is this, War and Peace? I don't even want to buy Skyrim now till these are fixed. Bethesda can consider it a lonely boycott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxTaLoNxX Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I just want to clear up any confusion, this isn't a rant thread, a venting thread or a hate thread. This is actually a thread about legitimate issues, shortcomings and minor things that would have made Skyrim a better experience. For me I find it nearly baffling that they didn't make the new combat mechanic an actual skill so that it retains it's usefulness throughout the game, Shouts could have easily had a skill tree to itself. Instead most are situational at best and at it's worst the damage shouts are so underpowered in damage and with completely unreasonable cooldown timers. This could have been fixed with a simple implementation of a Shout skill tree. My MAJOR complaint is that Bethesda chose to use Steam client as a means of software piracy protection knowing full well that Steam does nothing to prevent piracy and now thousands of Skyrim PC players are having to suffer because of this. Steam is a spyware company that knowingly ignores users privacy by bypassing offline settings and secretly installing files onto user's computers without permission or their knowledge, Steam also tracks information that is sent to and from a users computer and sends that information back to Steam client servers for analysis. If there was ever a violation of a user's privacy Steam would be the worst offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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