Im Done.

[Kohdi]

I normally stay away from borderline firefights like this, but I have a few thoughts to share.

 

After playing Skyrim obsessively for the past *looks at calendar* 4 weeks, I can vouch for it blowing Oblivion out of the water. Completely. Not-enough-pieces-to-bury completely. This is coming from someone who thought the same thing about Oblivion back in its day, and gradually moving up the years as the interesting mods increased. However, Skyrim as it is, is imperfect. Oblivion was imperfect when it was released, and though I've never played it, I'm sure Morrowind was imperfect too. It's been said before, but having such a massive game work as smoothly as it does now is a feat to be proud of. I have no doubt that when the CK is released (and all this damnable middle-man crap with Steam is resolved) the game will be improved beyond what we think possible now, just as Oblivion was before it.

 

Things that are good in Skyrim:

- The graphics. Even at their vanilla resolutions, the first time I walked down from Helgen I couldn't help but stare.

- The cities, especially the major ones. The variations in architecture between Holds is beautiful to behold.

- On that note, the uniqueness of the important stuff. I know a lot of resources are repeated across the landscape, but well, you need to build a mountain out of something. All the important things though, for example Jorrvaskr, the Blue Palace, Markarth itself, Blackreach, the puzzle of Labyrinthian, High Hrothgar, Sky Haven Temple, and countless other places, all were crafted uniquely in a way Oblivion never achieved. Whereas the Companions may have been housed in a Chorrol-style house before, now they get a freakin' overturned longship. The attention to detail which isn't necessary (as proven by the success of Oblivion) but which was made nonetheless is probably my favorite part of the game.

- The new player-status system, including health, stamina, magica, skills and perks, all that, is a vast improvement over what it used to be. I get so mad when I fall too far, or get practically frozen in place by a Dragon Priest, but it's a good kind of mad because it makes sense. It's also hilarious to lure bandits into their own spike-wall trap. Plus, leveling up skills is now a fun process. My smithing skills just topped 80, no cheats.

- The improvement of NPCs and their functions. Yes, I said improvement. You have to realize humanity is quite a ways from including thousands of artificial functioning brains in a video game, so I think our current progress is pretty acceptable.

 

Things that are bad in Skyrim:

- The UI. Not all of it, because I like its simple style, but apparently the controls didn't port well to the PC or something because selecting topics, categories, and remembering your re-mapped keys is a pain in the butt. I'm sure this will be one of the first things fixed by modders, though.

- The current patch (1.2). It crashes, it didn't fix the problems it advertized (very annoying to kill a Blood Dragon then not get its soul), and it introduced graphical glitches that weren't there before. Apparently the patch beta-testers were still too busy watching giants launch bears into the sky to notice the real bugs.

- Steam. I hate that utility with a vengeance. Between the CD key, having to keep a login (and remembering such when the only other Steam game you own is Portal), requiring it to be open while Skyrim runs (another fun feature of the patch), requiring an internet connection, automatically downloading who-knows-what without asking me, it's just a majorly unnecessary annoyance. My heart broke when I read that Skyrim would be using Steam. And now the CK, too. To put it frankly, I don't care about the players of other games and advertizing my mods to them, I care about you guys, here, who genuinely enjoy the game for what it is, and likewise for user-made content.

- Chaurus. Bethesda forgot to include a volcano where you can watch hundreds of chaurus burning alive forever, feebly spitting acid at you on your high throne. How sweet that would be.

 

Things I will miss from Oblivion until they are re-made:

- My mods, of course.

- A decent body replacer. Hopefully someone can either make a new mesh to rival Robert's and HG's, or the masters themselves get in on the action.

- Reliable companion/follower structuring. I would like more than one companion, and if they get lost because they can't goat-hop up a mountain, I want to be able to find them.

- User-made houses. Nothing beats that touch of quirky uniqueness which is always the result. I'm thinking a nice tower somewhere in the Reach.

- Seeing my character in the inventory menu. How can I be sure my outfit is fit for the Blue Palace if I have to use the console to get a good look at it?

 

So, those are my thoughts. Longer than intended, but I wanted to get my voice heard. I realize this thread started for a silly and inconsequential reason, but it has really "blossomed", so, consider this all "food for thought".

Edited December 4, 2011 by Kohdi

[ninjutsukid]

No one gives a flying f***.

 

kthnxbye

 

Thank you as well.

BANNED

 

cya

[abaris]

No one gives a flying f***.

 

kthnxbye

 

Thanks for the constructive input. But people may be just as interested in what you have to contribute or your opinion for that matter.

[AbleGnome]

Apparently, no one here is an expert at writing reviews or editorials (personal opinion pieces). So give the kid (or adult) some slack. But true reviewers will compare facts and features to support their argument, and a review is never based on emotion or let-down (such as the let-down after buying into the crazy hype.)

 

My first TES game was Oblivion. I loved it. I still do, modded to the hilt. Then I fell in love with Fallout 3. Then came Fallout NV (which, by the way, people "hated" early on, too...but the game grabs you the longer you play it, and now, with some unbelievable mods, FNV is generally loved) which I still play.

 

Based on all of that, I wanted to go back and play Morrowind. The vanilla game looks like the dated old graphics it is. I took the time to do all the things I had to do, load all the mods that needed loading, and it didn't help much, compared to the games above. The conversation tree I hated, and the dialogue seemed overly long and dated, as well. I ditched it.

 

So, maybe Morrowind is the #1 TES game for some, but for me it is just too old to hold much immersive value. I heard that the same German group that re-did Oblivion (and called their massive mod Nehrim, which is GREAT--English subtitles) also re-did Morrowind. I don't know what it is called and it is German-only.

 

Nehrim, IMO, far surpasses Oblivion in look, feel, writing, acting and fun. It is amazing. I was praying that Skyrim wasn't worse than Nehrim. It isn't. In fact, Skyrim has some of the elements of Nehrim and equals and maybe surpasses the graphic design, although Nehrim has more beauty and fewer rocks.

 

There is a Nehrim thread at http://www.justadventure.com with some screenshots.

 

If you hate and feel let-down with no other good reason, open a Rant thread and let loose or just don't post, please. But we are all emotional folks here, so it is perfectly okay to give examples and comparisions, and also express how you expected more or whatever. Help us LEARN why you feel the way you do, don't try to make us FEEL what you feel.

 

Thanks.

Edited December 4, 2011 by AbleGnome

[TotalRookie]

Apparently, no one here is an expert at writing reviews or editorials (personal opinion pieces). So give the kid (or adult) some slack. But true reviewers will compare facts and features to support their argument, and a review is never based on emotion or let-down (such as the let-down after buying into the crazy hype.)

 

My first TES game was Oblivion. I loved it. I still do, modded to the hilt. Then I fell in love with Fallout 3. Then came Fallout NV (which, by the way, people "hated" early on, too...but the game grabs you the longer you play it, and now, with some unbelievable mods, FNV is generally loved) which I still play.

 

Based on all of that, I wanted to go back and play Morrowind. The vanilla game looks like the dated old graphics it is. I took the time to do all the things I had to do, load all the mods that needed loading, and it didn't help much, compared to the games above. The conversation tree I hated, and the dialogue seemed overly long and dated, as well. I ditched it.

 

So, maybe Morrowind is the #1 TES game for some, but for me it is just too old to hold much immersive value. I heard that the same German group that re-did Oblivion (and called their massive mod Nehrim, which is GREAT--English subtitles) also re-did Morrowind. I don't know what it is called and it is German-only.

 

Nehrim, IMO, far surpasses Oblivion in look, feel, writing, acting and fun. It is amazing. I was praying that Skyrim wasn't worse than Nehrim. It isn't. In fact, Skyrim has some of the elements of Nehrim and equals and maybe surpasses the graphic design, although Nehrim has more beauty and fewer rocks.

 

There is a Nehrim thread at http://www.justadventure.com with some screenshots.

 

If you hate and feel let-down with no other good reason, open a Rant thread and let loose or just don't post, please. But we are all emotional folks here, so it is perfectly okay to give examples and comparisions, and also express how you expected more or whatever. Help us LEARN why you feel the way you do, don't try to make us FEEL what you feel.

 

Thanks.

Not to steer the thread off topic, but that whole Nehrim project is pretty neat. I loll'ed at the release trailer's awesome mass effect sound track with a German voice over xD

 

And I enjoy Skyrim for what it is and what it can possibly become. Hate on me if you must but Morrowind still remains the very heart and soul of TES.

Edited December 5, 2011 by TotalRookie

[Jaypaul97]

Opinions are great, but why not voice them in the context of which thing bothers you rather than "whaaa this sucks I'm done!"

That sounds more like whining than "opinions".

 

Remember peeps, just Cus it ain't morrowind doesn't mean it sucks.

And technically ninjutsu(or whatever his name was) has a point...but he may have worded it better like his:

No one gives a flying firecracker.

Edited December 5, 2011 by Jaypaul97

[Guss]

Dead post. :thumbsup: seems like its getting of topic of what the creator posted, over a CS and fixing bugs.

 

Bump Bump :whistling:

[El`derina]

I am still amazed anyone is even talking about this and overblowing the Skyrim issues... its just silly... sure Skyrim is FAR away from what it should have been, but its still a very good game worth having.

 

and sure bethesda has made quite a few screwups, but they are attempting to fix them... I really fail to understand anyone here.

 

theres a few people that have been going around leaving posts where they state how all these kind of posts are proving a source of entertainment for them,.. THAT im starting to understand.