SaturnFX Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 In human mythos, dwarves were thought of as -both- elves of the forest, and the bearded dudes in the mine depending on which area of the world you were at. So, does it go strictly against TES lore? not really. Yes and no..its more complicated than that. A simple misunderstanding or reinterpretation could be needed here...for instance, if you desperately wanted to keep "dwarves" as the lost race, then simply rename the classic gimli dwarf as a gnome and stick them a bit deeper in the earth...but in the end, its a modding community, so stuff lore friendly anyhow..they decided to create a square and call it a circle, doesn't mean the rest of us cannot then make a circle and call that a circle..just because "they" said it doesn't mean we have to abide by it..hell, thats the point of modding...design for -our- desire, not theirs. (else modding would be redundant as all vanilla games would be perfect...and we would all be using consoles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffzor Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 What's 'human mythos'? I'm not sure what myths there are of dwarves apart from the old norse version, which is the one used by almost all fantasy dwarves for inspiration - and they have -nothing- to do with elves. Translating 'elf' to swedish gives you the same word used for both the forest nymph-like creatures and the word used for little people, but that's -very- little people, leprechaun/hop-'o-my-thumb-sort of little people. Dwarves were basically the same as they are in fantasy fiction, shorter than humans, but broader and rougher, living under mountains where they mine and smith items at a godly quality. Then the things about having beards and drinking a lot just comes from that it's what most norse people did and was just asumed to be practiced by the dwarves as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircd Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I disagree that Dwarves were not part of skyrim's history. Yes I know the debate on the dwemer origin of the ruins, but I don't think its that simple. The falmer were the snow elves that were fought and forced into hiding or slavery underground in the dwarven cities. Now, I'm not getting into the origin of the ruins themselves whether dwemer or dwarven, yet with the relief images of the obviously stereotypical dwarven faces carved throughout the ruins and not to mention on the dwarven centarions and spheres themselves it is almost certain that a dwarf race actually did exist underground and the sky elves met with them when they had to delve beneath the surface. Now as to their place in skyrim, it is no secret that time travel plays a part in the story line of skyrim. With the dragons coming back, who is going to question a dwarf that comes back to face them as well. There are deffinite rp angles to the dwarf character. Character races I'd like to see as playable in skyrim: Dwarves, Snow Elves, Falmer, Halfling Races (What's this with no crossbreeding at all), Dremora and Daedra.If you take a step further on the story line and think of implications on the usage of an elder scroll to send something into the future, couldn't other individuals also have been shot into the future likewise by accident... possibly waking up on the edge of skyrim without a clue as to where they were and being caught up in an imperial ambush of stormcloaks... ok ok ok I made it feasible, now show me some dwarves :D ~CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terralventhe Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 sircd.. you do realize that the Dwemer didn't have to be skinny and elegant like Dark Elves and Wood Elves and such, right? Orcs are called Orsimer, meaning that orcs are a form of elvenkind as well. The Dwemer, in other words, were just elves with stocky features and beards, but still the same height as everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffzor Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 What Terralventhe said, and as I mentioned earlier, there are Dwemer ghosts in Morrowind, and they look pretty much like a taller, crooked Bosmer with great curly beards. http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4111/wdbr1.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantih Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Another option would be creating a muscular Nord and use the console to make the character smaller. :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernhardewers Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Haha, it's understandable. If you've never been exposed to it as an everyday thing, you're not going to pick up on little things like spelling and pronunciations and such. Hell, I spend half my time groaning at Skyrim whenever I see the numerous occasions of men sporting womens' names, and vice versa, or the relentless Marvel!Thor pronunciations of names (seriously, that movie was one part non-stop comedy, one part 'what the hell am I watching' for Icelanders because of how everything was being pronounced and portrayed). You from iceland? im from sweden so i know what you mean ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terralventhe Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Yeah, haha. Surprised to find more and more Scandinavians lurkin' around here - though not surprising. Skyrim has Scandinavia written all over it. The only problem is that it's written in crayon in some places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprilius20 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hehe, thanks for the corrections and the accurate pronunciation. I don't know about the cutting off of -ur, but I confess to not paying much attention to how their names are spelled:P Haha, it's understandable. If you've never been exposed to it as an everyday thing, you're not going to pick up on little things like spelling and pronunciations and such. Hell, I spend half my time groaning at Skyrim whenever I see the numerous occasions of men sporting womens' names, and vice versa, or the relentless Marvel!Thor pronunciations of names (seriously, that movie was one part non-stop comedy, one part 'what the hell am I watching' for Icelanders because of how everything was being pronounced and portrayed). I haven't watched Thor yet, but it can't possibly be as bad as Loki and Odin from The Son of the Mask.... can it? Sigh. I don't think there're any good movies based on Norse legends. I'd kill for a grand LotR scale Volsunga movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I haven't watched Thor yet, but it can't possibly be as bad as Loki and Odin from The Son of the Mask.... can it? Sigh. I don't think there're any good movies based on Norse legends. I'd kill for a grand LotR scale Volsunga movie... We take what we can get, no? :/ Side note:Am I the only one cracking up each time Gerdur says "Jarl Balgruuf" ? ... I find it both offensive to us Scandinavian, yet I find it quite amusing! Just like everybody over 30 here would pronounce it in english! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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