capnfnx Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 After reading several posts containing the idea that once the CK comes out modders will fix the game, modders get paid from steam, whatever. What is the agreement with steam for you to play Skyrim, it is their property including the files that are already on your computer, usurping the ownership of not only Bethesda but of you the consumer and possibly bringing up issues with other files on your pc unassociated with the game. The CK will be the similar physical and intellectual rights agreement and any mod created with their property may come into issue and or greatly limited as to its content. So anyone thinking great thoughts about how modders can always release their own creations elswhere may be in for a rude awakening. Keep in mind there is no other contract I am aware of that so blatently in its vagueness as far as rights for the provider limits the rights of the consumer, we can but are not limited to looking at, changing, removing all file on your pc and if you don't like it we will take revenge on your account and very soul. What redeeming quality is there to tying up the CK to steam and don't spew out vague promises of how "well you can always upload elsewhere". Except steam still owns it because it was created with their property. No I am not a lawyer but I know enough about intellectual property rights to be worried for not only gaming sites, gamers, developers and modders but the direction business in general can be run by setting this seemingly profitable precedent. Skyrim is/was the property of Bethesda it is absolutely their choice as to how to market that property and even the CK, just don't get too excited, (patches 1 and 2). Do not misunderstand I like Skyrim and other titles Bethesda has graced us with at 60 bucks a pop, I just think this all could turn out very, very bad. It's the end of the world as we know it, and I don't feel so fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneWing Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 *plays the smallest violin in the world* :wallbash: .... :facepalm: I don't think it will turn out to be that bad at all. Steam is not run by Soviet Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvinkun Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) I think that Steam actually runs -Soviet- Russia. I don't want to be paranoid, but everytime someone from Beth says how cool, friendly, fluffy, unicorns and rainbow and free the CK will be, I get the feeling something is terribly off. Edited December 2, 2011 by elvinkun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handofbane Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 While some of the existing terms-of-use are raising eyebrows among the modding community, none of us can really know for certain how this will turn out til we get more information or they announce newer revised rules in their agreement. We can speculate, but none of that really means much til we get more information *all eyes turn to Gstaff*. That said, Valve may hold a huge share of the market on digital distribution, but nobody can really deny that they DO help keep the PC market alive, through their support of all the smaller developers and helping keep many older titles available to the public (FO1/2/Tactics, VtM Bloodlines, etc). Just be glad they are not EA, and this is not Origin (who, if you dig in *their* terms, have allowed themselves to charge you biannually if you have 4 or more games registered with them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnfnx Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Agree to wait and see. Just worried about things to come not just in the gaming industry, however as old as I am (49) and seeing the changes in our world, not all for the better, APATHY is a killer. And well it's not as bad as this over here or it's just giving a little of our rights or the shape of things to come doesn't make it all ok! Just sayin.I like my mods they distract me from the boogeyman, the REAL boogeyman! (puttin on my foil helmet, cuz he can hear us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneWing Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Agree to wait and see. Just worried about things to come not just in the gaming industry, however as old as I am (49) and seeing the changes in our world, not all for the better, APATHY is a killer. And well it's not as bad as this over here or it's just giving a little of our rights or the shape of things to come doesn't make it all ok! Just sayin.I like my mods they distract me from the boogeyman, the REAL boogeyman! (puttin on my foil helmet, cuz he can hear us)Regular foil doesn't work anymore... It needs to be Rynolds Non-Stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masamune30 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 well theres a solution to steam being a dick and stealing ourt stuff, make out own modding software. it wouldnt be easy but pwesonaly im already pissed off enough at theid decision to delay the ck for 2 months without any real explanation, if steam was to once again screw up somthing with this game *cough* forced updates *cough* i would be making a workaround for steam within 5 min. theres another advantage of making our own software too, we get it sooner and we can give ourselves unrestricted access to everything, we all know that bethsda is disabling some features in the ck ( although what features these are is being debated ) and at this rate im gonna go back to gmod where mods are WELCOMED by the creators. im extemely dissapointed with you bethsda-masamune30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnfnx Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 In reading other posts it seems to me there are a lot of very optimistic, complacent people here who have the wait and see attitude that everything is going to be ok. Steam is not looking out for your better interests in this, look at their track record and what Bethesda has become by their association. If the nexus is vacuuming up some of steams profit, they are going to do something about it. Yes there may be some good things about steam, old titles availability, whatever. At what cost to what we claim to be our rights, which some aren't. Look at what Steam claims as their rights and that isn't going to change as long as people keep giving them money regardless of how we as the consumer are treated. That rainbow some people are looking forward too is an optical illusion. The same goes for Beth releasing a game that wasn't ready, look at the sales. Just because something can be done does not make it ok to do. Shun the DB, hunt down the thieves guild! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat1Guy Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If the doomsayers end up being right, I smell a mass exodus of people returning to Oblivion and Morrowind for modding, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnfnx Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 I don't mean to be a doomsayer and I don't think anyone has ever left Morrowind or Oblivion. Skyrim is a good game. The trend of business, even our gov,ts in the western world of this is what you get just like it is upsetting to say the least. The acceptence of it by the consumer or people in general is really the scary part. (or maybe sad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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