THE ART OF THE PREMATURE RELEASE

[Matth85]

Day 1- released, game more than playable, but with bugs

Day 2- Bugs found

Day 3- Bugs reported, some already patched and fixed

Day 4- More patches

Day 5- Game fully patched

 

Delayed release:

Day 1- Delayed

Day 2- Released... still with bugs, but not as many

Day 3- Bugs found

Day 4- Patches

Day 5- Game fully patched...

 

Here is how it works, in real life:

 

Early release:

 

Week 1 - Released.

Week 2 - Game breaking bugs arr being rounded up, and people must lay down their game due to important quest being bugged.

Week 3 - Major patch, fixing some, breaking more.

Week 4 - rounded up more new game breaking bugs, and a few minor ones.

Week 5 - Another patch. Now some people can finally play the game! a months after release.

 

Delayed:

 

Week 1 - Delayed

Week 2 - Released, and aa few game breaking bugs, but mostly minor bugs. Not a big rush to fix.

Week 3 - fixed the game breaking bugs, only a few minor left.

Week 4 - More minor fixed, but since the game was delayed, they were fixed with the CK by players.

Week 5 - A patch for console fixing what the modders fixed for PC.

 

Now, in the early release they also got: Vecation for too hard work and the CK to get done.

Suddently they are rushed and got twice the stress, for the same time.

NOBODY gains this way. They get more work that needed, and we get problems. Look at how it was for PS3 players at release. They couldn't play the game due to the lagg. Would that be there if they took another month? No way!

They could have given it a good port-over to PC, not just a rip right from the console. Everybody would've won.

Edited December 3, 2011 by Matth85

[El`derina]

There is no need for a trade off to get better combat, they just need to work out a better physics and impact engine, and add a proper dodge option. It isn't the considerably smaller world in The Witcher 2 that opens up opportunities for a better combat, you know. And to be honest, Bethesda don't seem to have spent too much time on writing deep and meaningful quest lines either, as the game is more or less shallow, and hardly anything you do have any impact on anyone but yourself. (and hardly that).

 

Skyrim looks amazing, though, and it's really a curse. Because it's like waking up from a dream and realize it wasn't a dream, and you really are married to Beyonce Knowles. Only that she has contracted AIDS, and you can't really do the things you really wanted with her anyway.

 

But as I've said before, once SDK comes, some genius modders will fix the game for Bethesda, but in all honesty I think they rely too much on a community to fix their games.

 

@alpha/beta parts.

Dragons, giants and mammoths raining from the sky, dead on impact... and I could go on, but the list is long and mentioned frequently on this forum.

 

lmfao! yes.. because Witcher 2 took it out of their gameplay length instead :)

oh, but they added in the ability for some smexy scenes starting with the opening, so its all good! *sarcasm*

 

as far as Bethesda rely'ing on player mods to fix their issues too much, theres something we can agree on! I am not sure how much it relates to what your proposing, but it's true.

 

as for your beta/alpha bug things... all problems with a minority, which happens with every game, even after being fully patched, someone has SOME issue still thats the games fault or even their own... honestly WISH I couldve seen that happen in my game at least once.

besides... that list had nothing to do with the main quest being incomplete as you stated... or did you forget what you wrote?

Edited December 3, 2011 by El`derina

[El`derina]

 

 

ha... nice try... its easy to see in your timelines are way off....

 

dude...

start from the day it would be released for the normal release for both timelines...

dont start from two seperate timelines or you cant compare them!

 

you'd STILL get the construction set in the same month,.. cause thats when its ready... you'd get the game late.... sure it'll be more complete as delayed, but the normally released game is at that same point by the time the delayed game rolls out..

is that really such a hard concept to grasp?

 

people just don't want to deal with the bugs period and would rather wait more than they really have to... thats the real problem

 

as to what you gain by the regular release... us players get to enjoy the game alittle sooner than a delayed game >.> mods start rolling out sooner. plans start getting made. Bethesda makes money. Which allows them to make more games :-p

Edited December 3, 2011 by El`derina

[Matth85]

ha... nice try... its easy to see in your timelines are way off....

Apologize, meant to write "delayed" instead of "released" and add "relased" to the second one.

 

If you look at it like that, you then see how it goes.

 

Sorry!

 

Cheers,

Matth

[CasperTheLich]

@ El`derina:

 

there's a few items i feel the need to respond to.

first off, from what i can tell most of the people having issues are in the majority, not minority. it seems to me that bethesda is purging their forums of posts relating to bugs. so it seems that those with issues aren't in the minority at all.

and if i read your posts correctly your game is running fairly well, minus a few small bugs. i don't like the fact you're trivializing the issues other people are having. does it seem right to claim issues you're not having are acceptable to deal live with & to stop whining about them? most of the issues i was having involved textures not loading correctly, and ctds everywhere. after that 1.2 patch my fps drops massively for no reason at times, more ctds, and dragons fly around like backwards supersonic jets that don't die no matter how many arrows i put into them. i don't mean to rag on you, i just feel you're being... what’s a good word, just a tad egotistical?

Edited December 3, 2011 by Invisible Man

[El`derina]

*shakes head*

what your basically saying is that you dont care if the game is at the same point in the end, so long as you dont have to ever at any point deal with any bugs.

 

@ Invisable Man

 

Sorry to come off that way...

 

no, the topic is about delaying the game for bug squashing.. which i find as silly since once the a delayed game was released, the early released game would have been at the same point in its version anyhow,.. so whats the point?

I havent seen any proper reasoning to this yet other than people dont like to see bugs in the eariler release and would rather not play period until later when the game would have been patched up anyhow

Edited December 3, 2011 by El`derina

[Matth85]

you'd STILL get the construction set in the same month,.. cause thats when its ready... you'd get the game late.... sure it'll be more complete as delayed, but the normally released game is at that same point by the time the delayed game rolls out..

is that really such a hard concept to grasp?

 

You dont see the different in getting the CK at release, a month later, than a month later after release? ... o.O seriously?...... You're kidding me now, right?.. I am shocked.

 

1 month before release:

Nobody cares. People wait for the games, expecting the best.

The game arrives, and bugs get fixed with the CK for PC users ASAP, and bethesda fixes the rest without stress.

 

1 month AFTER release:

People can't play, and some quit after 1 week while waiting for the CK.

People are getting desperate, and everybody whines.

 

The different is huge. It is not the month we talk about, it is having a game for a month WITHOUT a way to fix anything. The different is extremely huge!

[El`derina]

 

The different is huge. It is not the month we talk about, it is having a game for a month WITHOUT a way to fix anything. The different is extremely huge!

 

sheesh... if you guys really can't handle your bugs that much you should have waited,.. we all knew the game would release with bugs >.> there was much talk about it. Every game does... How did Brittany put it? usually waits 6 months before buying.

 

I just want to point out and for you all to understand, that the topic is about 'delaying the game for bug squashing' which wouldnt have had any real effect when the game is playable now and patches will fix the rest. On a timetable, we'd reach the same spot rather it was delayed or not. Even if it was delayed, theres some bugs they know of now which wouldnt have been discovered.

Somehow I think if the game was delayed, you'd all ask for further delaying again.

 

but I give up,.. this seems like a no 'right' answer topic.

[CasperTheLich]

@ El`derina

 

no harm done. i might have come off a little harsher then i intended. sorry bout' that.

just couldn't come up with a softer version of what i felt i needed to say.

i don't need a bugfree release (don't even think i've seen a bugfree game ever besides solitaire or minesweeper), all i really want is a game that's playable with as little game braking nonsense as possible. for 60bucks do you think i'm asking too much?

[Matth85]

if you guys really can't handle your bugs that much you should have waited,.. we all knew the game would release with bugs

You don't get the point, do you? We do not talk about small bugs. We talk about the gamebreaking bugs. Youve had none? Good! You are one of the few.

PS3 players couldn't play.

Some major quest was bugged.

Some NPC died that shouldn't.

 

These are not small bugs, they are bugs forcing you to lay down the game. That is unproffesional done, and they also had the CK unfinished: so WE couldn't fix it. They also went to vecation after TOO much work, due to THEIR deadline. Now this means MORE pain for us, and MORE work for them. NOBODY earned anything. This is not an MMO, so 1 month delay would lose them nothing.

 

On a timetable, we'd reach the same spot rather it was delayed or not. Even if it was delayed, theres some bugs they know of now which wouldnt have been discovered.

Somehow I think if the game was delayed, you'd all ask for further delaying again.

No, YOU would reach the same point. Some players can't play, or just could play. NOT because of small bugs, but because of GAME BREAKING bugs.

 

Can I say it more obvious? ... do I need more caps? Maybe some bold text?