BipolarOne Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 That doesn't matter as much. I got two SATA III's on SATA II 3GBs interfaces. It's better than HDD for speed. I run FO4 on SATA III's on SATA III 6GBs interfaces. Which has almost nothing to do with stutter IMO. The loading time gets decreased from 3-4 minutes on HDD to 30 seconds or so with SSD. Besides most of the improvements to the interfaces for SATA/PCI-E we won't saturate, it's future building. I'm sure it might matter for bench marking purposes, but that's not what we do. The idea is kind of forgetting the fact that consoles use HDD then that any SSD on PC would be faster than that. It's silly. From what I read "The texture streamer" works with .BA2 in order to grab only the mip map sized texture maps (that's the 10 or so smaller maps based on the original) The PC is moving thru these areas an the .exe grabs this or that map at distance. That's all based on the distance sliders for the game when it's going to grab it, and what. Volumetric lighting exacerbates it, with what seems like a fair amount of settings being locked into the .exe that result in stutter, microstutter, and/or lighting flashing if it's changed. Which is why we see the fix for it being asset replacement in the form of edited/optimized .BA2 On the 40-60 framerate, FO4 was microstuttering fairly regularly north of Vault 111 in the woods. I know from reading these maps are 4096x4096 for trees, which is probably why. The system is trying to juggle this .exe based auto framerate control with the management of enhanced texture .BA2 for i/o of mip map textures based on a oversized original, along with physics changes from the PC moving and camera moving, while also grabing mip maps for everything in the 5 grid as the player moves, TAA is running, AF is running, ENB is running on it, and FXAA running on top of that along with generally ultra/tweeked settings. It's going to do whatever it wants to do IMO. That's all based on the .BA2 though, which is the easy way to fix the whole thing hypothetically. Though it's supported by what the other players said about getting a smooth framerate. So what we'll do now is replace the .BA2 for textures in various quarantined tests, but because I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket I'll start to tweek ENB's graphics memory setting to keep this outside of my super slow RAM. But there is a page file on HDD for windows basically it would hopefully keep it out of too. I'm not all that sure about it, but it's something to go with further optimization of settings/configs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 after some further research into my motherboard, and SSD performance in general - it seems to me that the most likely explanation for this is that the motherboard is simply not able to support the speeds my SSD is capable of. I'm glad I was made aware of this, but it's not a possible cause for the problems in fallout. with that in mind, I'll probably try the windows test soon. I think I'll install windows 10 first and see what happens - then move on to windows 7 if the problem persists.I managed to make some room in my PM ,so we can just go there. appearances here seem to be a lot of clutter. Current Environment has gone Toxic and way off topic. Apologies to the networks but enough is enough. Kitty Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) Tested Compatible Boards for Windows 8* and 8.1The following motherboard models with add-in card (HHL, half-height, half-length), are compatible with Windows 8 and 8.1. Make sure BIOS settings are properly set. The uEFI mode setting must be enabled to successfully use the Intel SSD 750 Series.ASUS H97M-PLUSGA H97 D3HASRock Z97 EXTREME6ASRock Z97X KillerASUS Z97 DeluxeASUS Z97AGigabyteGA Z97X SOC (FORCE)GigabyteGA Z97X UD5HGigabyteGA Z97X SLIMSI Z97 Gaming 5MSI Z97 MPOWERMSI Z97 MPOWER MAXASRock X99 OC FORMULAASUS X99 DeluxeASUS X99 Rampage V ExtremeASUS X99 RE5EVGA X99 ClassifiedEVGA X99 MicroGigabyteGA X99 Gaming 5GigabyteGA X99 Gaming G1GigabyteGA X99 UD4MSI X99 Gaming7MSI X99 SLI PlusMSI X99S Gaming 9MSI X99S MpowerMSI X99 GAMING 9MSI X99 XpowerAbout our testing methods and results:We used a system with 64-bit Windows 7*, 8*, or 8.1*, installed with a uEFI flash drive or a DVD with Intel® SSD PCI Express* NVMe* driver loaded.The test results provide a sample of system functionality.Changes system manufacturers make can affect operation of their products with Intel® products.We do not retest the systems when any part of the test hardware or its configuration changes. For example, drivers or BIOS/firmware revisions.This article applies to: Tested Compatible Boards for Windows 7The following motherboard models with add-in card (HHL, half-height, half-length), are compatible with Windows* 7. Make sure BIOS settings are properly set. The uEFI* mode setting must be enabled to successfully use the Intel® SSD 750 Series.ASRock Z97 EXTREME6ASRock Z97X KillerASUS Z97 DeluxeASUS Z97AGigabyteGA Z97X SOC (FORCE)GigabyteGA Z97X UD5HGigabyteGA Z97X SLIMSI Z97 Gaming5MSI Z97 MPOWERMSI Z97 MPOWER MAXASRock X99 OC FORMULAASUS X99 DeluxeASUS X99 Rampage V ExtremeASUS X99 RE5ASUS X99E WSEVGA X99 ClassifiedEVGA X99 MicroGigabyteGA X99 Gaming 5GigabyteGA X99 Gaming G1GigabyteGA X99 UD4MSI X99 Gaming7MSI X99 SLI PlusMSI X99S MpowerMSI X99 GAMING 9MSI X99 Xpower For those in the market to expand to the new gen toy's.Link: (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/solid-state-drives/consumer-ssds/000005729.html) To answer questions regarding heat talk?Link: (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/solid-state-drives/consumer-ssds/000005797.html)I have ordered a DIY system costing upwards of $ 12.000.00 just to make sure the tech is correct.Case will be made from Glass so I can take screen shots of the design. something to do. kitty Edited October 29, 2016 by Purr4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 In stalling the game now and some tools before hand, linking in what I need to view things of the saved game files. I am going to be using Mo to isolate the data.thanks, I really hope you find something that points me in the right direction. edit: alright, so I got around to running the dependency checker application. admittedly, I'm kind of pushing beyond my knowledge of computers at this point, but the results look pretty terrible. below is a list of modules that produced the error message "Error opening file. Could not find the file specified" 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I can't even begin to make sense of this, but it looks like a mess. Because it is a mess. Skyrim does that too, but no other games do.These are thedecryption files I mentioned, You must be online, steam must be active, and steam must tie into Bethesdas account system in order for these files to be found. Alt tabing out and running the application will provide the missing files to be found.The same applies to the CK's I was going back through the thread to see If I missed anything. I did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 In stalling the game now and some tools before hand, linking in what I need to view things of the saved game files. I am going to be using Mo to isolate the data.thanks, I really hope you find something that points me in the right direction. edit: alright, so I got around to running the dependency checker application. admittedly, I'm kind of pushing beyond my knowledge of computers at this point, but the results look pretty terrible. below is a list of modules that produced the error message "Error opening file. Could not find the file specified" 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I can't even begin to make sense of this, but it looks like a mess. Because it is a mess. Skyrim does that too, but no other games do.These are the decryption files I mentioned, You must be online, steam must be active, and steam must tie into Bethesda's account system in order for these files to be found. Alt tabing out and running the application will provide the missing files to be found.The same applies to the CK's I was going back through the thread to see If I missed anything. I did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruhmis Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 so you mean, I run the game, alt tab, and run a second instance of it?also is this normal behavior or should I treat it as a possible cause for the stutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax2k Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Haven't read the whole thread and so I don't know, if it has been suggested yet, but if you haven't already: try moving all except the current savegame file to another folder, so the game only has access to the current one. I have had stuttering issues related to the size and amount of savegame files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 so you mean, I run the game, alt tab, and run a second instance of it? also is this normal behavior or should I treat it as a possible cause for the stutterUsing the application process Explorer, while the game is running hot, all those files in your spoiler tag should be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Well rather found and not missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Whether or not it applies to the stutter may not be the cause but this is normal behavior for this game and its construction kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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