Skyrim and Steam...

[Thoreai]

Very well said, AbleGnome.

 

However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.

 

Won't be making that mistake ever again.

 

 

if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.

Then again we can say the same to you, you dont like what we write here...leave noone is holding you.

 

There is a difference between a fan and a blind fanboy.

[Brittainy]

Very well said, AbleGnome.

 

However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.

 

Won't be making that mistake ever again.

 

 

if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.

 

I was under the impression the entire point of this thread was to give the author a bit of insight as to why some of us dislike Steam. Therefore, I - along with several others - have pointed out the reasoning behind our dislike.

 

Pretty simple. You don't have to agree with it. If you don't like legitimate arguments in an appropriate thread, just ignore them. :whistling:

[Arcadiast]

if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.

 

First, he/she is not "miserable" but disappointed or angry..its a difference, second, not about Skyrim but about Skyrim in conjunction with a otherwise useless Software that is forced on him/her and third please read my post on page 2 and answer the question I asked there and help me "Get it".

[DeadSpace]

all of your argument claiming that my _OPINIONS_ are wrong are simply that... OPINIONS.

 

i actually have read every single post on this topic... i'm not going to go back through them and quote every single post, but there are quite a few people who have clearly just jumped on the "I HATE STEAM" bandwagon with no legit reason.

 

 

I can understand people having concerns about steam in regards to b/w usage... until you introduce the fact that you aren't required to be online on steam 24/7... you can play skyrim 100% offline if you choose. all you have to do is set steam to offline mode then set it to not load on startup. I realize that it still queries the servers to validate you have a legit copy of skyrim, but that is like 50 packets of data, at MOST. 50. packets. i send / receive about 2billion packets per DAY. how, in gods name, this is a viable argument is beyond me... because I'm 99% sure that NONE of you have actually loaded up a program like WireShark or something that actually tracks how much bandwidth steam uses.

 

 

And who gives a fork about clans and social networks? I bought a single-player game. Sin-gle-pla-yer.

 

People? Different views on certain things don't make you right or the other person right... they are opinions. Stop pushing your views as the be-all-see-all of what is right and wrong with steam.

 

 

 

life lesson>just because you like something doesn't make it good automatically, your decision making ability shouldn't be set in stone once you like something. to defend it at all costs as if your survival depends on you being right in what you like, that it must be perfect because you like it. it's a company, it's out to make a profit, like drug companies, car companies, or other software companies. if steam didn't exist, this debate wouldn't, things broken by steams inclusion in games wouldn't have occurred, that's the most telling thing. steam/valve did nothing to stop piracy, only made legitimate users suffer...if they didn't exist, never had existed...things would have been much better.

 

Life lesson? Are you honestly that self-righteous to think that just because your opinions differ then mine, I need to be taught a LIFE LESSON because I enjoy steam and use it every day? I never ONCE said that people have no reason to hate steam. I completely understand where SOME people are coming from in regards to some of the issues set forth on this subject... My beef is with the people that are simply hating steam to hate steam.

 

I enjoy steam's service.

 

 

 

 

Bethesda is going to patch the game with or without steam... so blaming steam for the terrible patches is LOLworthy because all steam does is provide a content delivery system for the publisher. To think that steam had ANYTHING to do with the broken patches (minus delivering them to you) is simply WRONG. That isn't an opinion, which is why I can honestly say you are WRONG to think that.

 

Unlike stating opinions and telling my mine are invalid because they differ from yours... I'm telling you how it is. Steam didn't release 1.2... Bethesda did.

 

typical, you ignored what you didn't want to see, said beth and steam, steam released a sneak drm patch prior to beths 1.2, read everything.

 

 

net goes down, their servers go down, your net goes down=die...so much for 'never' they do not provide a great service, not even to their clients who publish games, if you think they do you're deluded...their drm is a joke, skyrim was cracked before official launch as someone somewhere else posted, after checking it was at least cracked same day it was released within hours. as was the first patch. and read steams eula and tos...carefully...especially about how much they'll support you, or guarantee that their servers will always be there...or what your only legal recourse is should you have a dispute with steam. also, check out how you lease...not buy, seems you were misinformed intentionally...as every steam users is by 'sales' that are actually lease events.

 

Along with... every other game that's been released by major publishers in the past 5 years? Is steam really the bad-guy in this situation... or is the idea of DRM as a whole, the bad idea? You are poking a dead horse and calling it a frog with this one. DRM isn't steam's problem... it's corporate greed that's the problem. Once again, not steam. I won't even comment on how you think I'm "deluded"... silly child.

 

not every game in the last 5 years...and resorting to insults? this 'child' is 46, sooo, unless you're in your 60's, 70's don't think so.

 

 

 

I could go on and on and on... but it seems like I'm getting the same from everyone here. Personally attacking someone's character because they have a different opinion from you... welcome to the internet I guess. Trolls will be trolls.

 

ah yes, anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint or presents valid points that conflict with how you think things are is a troll...ludicrous for several reasons, main one being...a troll...on this site? they have a life expectancy about that of a gnat. another, common tactic call them a troll when someones just had their well thought out points rebutted...at least they thought they were ironclad. same with 'e-feelings' attempt to make legitimate points seem irrational because people had their feelings hurt.

 

finally, i didn't see you refute anything with facts..partially my fault i believe as i gave the conclusions but not the methodology.

 

remove something suspect from the equation as if it never existed then re-evaluate from that perspective. in this case steam.

if it never existed, things would actually be better in the gaming world. games and pc's don't need it at all to function. so it's simply a parasite. does nothing useful, attaches itself to useful or at least entertaining software, and can be detrimental at times. that's known as a parasite. heh. one more in the parasite analysis, if the host software is cut off from the main body off the parasite (steam servers), it ceases to function.

 

steam is a parasite, people have legitimate reasons for hating parasites.

Edited December 18, 2011 by DeadSpace

[AbleGnome]

Why is this discussion getting personal? There is no "right" here. I think we're all on the same side. Maybe the person who started this thread is a bit naive, but so what?

 

I think most of us agree that Steam should go. And developers should find another way to protect their products, rather than steal our freedom to satisfy their goals.

 

We are trapped in an unfair Catch-22. We desire the game but hate the delivery system. I think we should continue to play the games, and also write to Bethesda and others about how infuriated we are that we are not really buying their games for our own purposes....we're buying filtered and monitored access for their gain. We can't take our purchase and walk away and do what we will. We must use our purchase as they dictate in a very personal, intrusive way. This is not only unfair, but they are certainly limiting their audience.

 

Steam just cannot be the model for the future. If Steam adds one more invasive element, a lot of us will simply bail and go play Battlefield or MOH.

 

Steam thinks smugly right now that we have no choice. Going forward, more will choose not to opt in. They are building their own negative publicity, and they don't even know it. This will harm developers, too. What a freaking shame.

[candycommander]

I've been using Steam for a while and have had ZERO problems. In fact, after seeing the first page I disconnected my wireless (without going into offline mode) and Skyrim started perfectly. I've have no issues using mods, games starting correctly or anything. Coupled with the fact that I've move a lot for work and can't afford to bring hundreds of cases with me and the great Steam deals (Black Friday was insane) it's a win/win for me. Sucks other people have problems, it's a great service for me.

[runicNomad]

The fact we must use steam is the issue. It is not about liking or disliking things it is about the convoluted method in which I am trapped to play a single player game. This kind of precedent borders on future games that are single player having ads inside of their game because those ads support the copy protection system.

 

I do not feel fairly treated having to run a product I do not want running to play a game that I did in fact pay for and really like. I understand over time people will get accustomed to these new techniques and even as in this thread defend these systems but they are like I said convoluted and outright invasive.

 

If I bought a car and when i wanted to drive it I had to connect it to a satellite system before the key would work or if I bought a tv and before it would turn on it had to connect to a satellite and get verification or if I bought a pair of shoes but before i could wear them without an alarm sounding they had to send their rfid number out to verify I did in fact buy them...

you get he picture here...

and guess what the only real people who get slammed with all this anti piracy tech is those who buy the game because...

well take a look at the skyrim torrent. it was cracked and available day one. that is never going to change whatever method is used to copy protect.

 

all I am hoping for is that once some time goes by and the patching is done and we have community patches we will have the cracks needed to circumvent it. hopefully our script extenders will not need to be cracked then too... meh its just a convoluted mess straight up...

i get it if it was an online game but its not and it has another aspect which is the mods and I guarantee with steam workshop the free flow of modding will be changed as well. maybe not overnight but it is going to be changed.

[valus22]

However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.

 

Won't be making that mistake ever again.

 

That's for sure. I didn't know anything about Steam before buying Skyrim, but I'm not going to fall again in the same trap.

[valus22]

- Edited December 18, 2011 by valus_22

[valus22]

if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.

 

Attacking every poster who says anything about your beloved Steam makes you look like what you are. But keep trolling anyway. Soon no one will take your bait.