Female plate armor with or without breast cups.

[ginnyfizz]

2. If a woman had natural DD's she wouldn't be fit enough swing a sword while wearing full armor on the battlefield anyways. She would need to work out a lot and that would lower her body fat index and thus making her tits smaller.

 

Absolutely totally untrue. Stop making sweeping generalisations. I have natural E cups. In my younger days I had natural E cups too, which never disappeared when I was rowing and sprinting for my college. I was an accomplished archer too, and then and now ride a horse, I have competed in equestrian sports and today I would have been out on the hunting field had it not been for a cold. Let's put it this way, the sort of titless torso athletes that you see in televised competition at the top level have, shall we say, some interesting trainers and scientists on their team.

 

Boobs do not equal unfit. They never stopped me being either a member of rescue organisations or pitching haybales.

[Wolbryne]

2. If a woman had natural DD's she wouldn't be fit enough swing a sword while wearing full armor on the battlefield anyways. She would need to work out a lot and that would lower her body fat index and thus making her tits smaller.

 

Absolutely totally untrue. Stop making sweeping generalisations. I have natural E cups. In my younger days I had natural E cups too, which never disappeared when I was rowing and sprinting for my college. I was an accomplished archer too, and then and now ride a horse, I have competed in equestrian sports and today I would have been out on the hunting field had it not been for a cold. Let's put it this way, the sort of titless torso athletes that you see in televised competition at the top level have, shall we say, some interesting trainers and scientists on their team.

 

Boobs do not equal unfit. They never stopped me being either a member of rescue organisations or pitching haybales.

 

It's not untrue. not even close. With natural E-cups you would NEVER have the stamina to fight a battle wearing full plate armor and swing a sword. you'd be on your knees panting. To get the amount of muscle mass needed for a woman to do what men did on the battlefield they'd have to get so incredibly fit that tits would go out the window. A man might have gotten away with more fat because men are genetically physically stronger than women.

You can say that you have huge knockers and do and did this and that sport but you will NEVER convince me that you had ripped abs, bulging biceps, triceps and underarms and still sport a DD-E cup. there just isn't a way to do that.

And you keep bringing up what you've done in the past and what you do. but let me ask you this; how successful were you? were you a sprinter in the olympic team? because out of say 1 million men on the battlefield there was MAYBE one woman. So as a woman you'd really have to be the best of the best in every aspect or you simply wouldn't get to do any fighting. It's not like they said "oh a woman wants to fight we want a woman with us cause she's cute". it's more likely that you'd have to prove yourself over and over and over and then MAYBE you'd be allowed to tag along. And even so you'd still be made a mockery of.

And as far as archery goes, you don't have to be fit to be good at archery. a buddy of mine was in the swedish junior olypic team. he was a really damn good archer and he was FAT and not very strong.

 

And for your last comment. I never said boobs equals unfit. I said that big tits equal not FIT ENOUGH to do what's required of a warrior in full plate on a battlefield.

[ginnyfizz]

Ever tried pulling an oar for several thousand metres? Don't tell me that doesn't take stamina because I know damned well from experience that it does. As does riding a horse for several hours a day (if you think that riding a horse is just sitting on your arse then that's obviously something else you've never done.)

 

You have also evidently missed the bits in some of my other posts where I have mentioned taking part in historical re-enactments. Stamina has nothing to do with the size of your tits or lack thereof. And as for your assertion about archers, how do you explain archaeoligical findings that suggest medieval archers were of strong build? There is a difference between a modern bow and a medieval style longbow and I've drawn both. Your friend is not exactly a typical archer.

 

You are trying to equate a modern athletic standard to a medieval fantasy setting where it would not apply. And I did not carry on with the athletics because...read the bit about interesting trainers and scientists.

[minngarm]

I knew the plate armor boobs were ridiculous fantasy...fantasies.

Real women would have fought in chainmail bikins...

 

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4796/lukerossredsonjaissue30.jpg

 

Best armor, ever.

 

For the "oohh poor women" and "oohh, they weren't that much poorer", both sides use extreme generalisation.

Yes, women might still have less rights than men do, but when I turn on the TV I either see an advertisement for some kitchen cleaner and some woman telling how great it is and how she couldn't believe how she was able to clean the kitchen without it before she had it and how faster she's able to clean now and then I change the channel and see some Shakira/Ke$sha/Rihanna/Britney/Mariah Carey presenting their ass like horny bonobo to push record sales. Hard to feel sorry for a group when at the same time their poster child is whoring herself out. At the same time, those ones who can't recognise this shallow sham are just as guilty.

 

 

That in the picture there, is not chainmail. Its more of a attempt to make studded armor look like scale mail.

[Gyiul]

But i don't really think the vanilla armours are such a big deal to be honest.

 

While it does to me which is why I use this mod to solve that problem.

Especially the plate armor looks really painful to wear for a woman though...

 

...What?

 

Reverse thinking perhaps? I told you it's rather the boob cup that's rather painful in battle...hypocritical much?

[Nekrafilia]

@Nekrafelia

1. Real breasts aren't perfectly shaped water melons. They are soft and can be tied down pretty much without much discomfort.

2. If a woman had natural DD's she wouldn't be fit enough swing a sword while wearing full armor on the battlefield anyways. She would need to work out a lot and that would lower her body fat index and thus making her tits smaller.

3. if a woman really needed it DESPITE point 1 and 2 then it would most likely be a bigger diameter curve of the breastplate. not breast cups since the latter would compromise the structural design of the armor and make it less impact resistant , plus she would be in danger of a cracked sternum from the wedge between the cups. Hell she'd break her sternum just from falling on to her chest.

 

If you bothered to read what I wrote then you'd see that I said "additional breast space for females, both only enough to fit the "equipment" in."

 

I never said anything about watermelon shape or size or "cups". You said that and tried to invalidate my argument with something I never mentioned.

 

Is reading and comprehension so much down the toilet these days?

[Fatalmasterpiece]

This thread is so funny. My girlfriend wears heels, corsets and platforms because she ENJOYS them, not because anyone forces her to.

 

I've also know several female medieval combat reenactors who wore fitted breast cups becauses they WANTED to. It's acctually more confortable than wearing a flat cuirass.

 

*eyeroll*

[Matth85]

I've also know several female medieval combat reenactors who wore fitted breast cups becauses they WANTED to

The problem is, by ruining the curve of the breast plate, you pretty much ruin the whole breastplate. The whole idea of the curve is to space out the energy that come from the hit, to say it simlple. If you got somethinng sticking out of it, any direct hit near that area will go directly to the body.

 

I even believe a picture illustrated it a few pages back. It's quite simple really. I am not sure, what do you rather prefer: Wanting to look like a prostitute on the battlefield, but being dead in seconds, or looking as ugly as everybody else, and surviving?

And if anybody draws the "lol is fantasy!" card, I will shoot an arrow your way. Fantasy comes from reality. The brain can't understand without logic. Take away the logical part of a game, and you won't make sense of anything, but you'll have your damn "fantasy".

 

That said, I really got nothing to add to this discussion. All I know has been said, and I am no expert on how it was in the medieval times.

[Khorak]

Ever tried pulling an oar for several thousand metres?

 

I have. Want to give us your time for that?

 

As does riding a horse for several hours a day (if you think that riding a horse is just sitting on your arse then that's obviously something else you've never done.)

 

Done that too. And if you think that's in any way comparable to melee combat, it really shows off why you didn't bother responding to me pointing out your experiences are, to put it politely, inapplicable.

 

Children can ride horses. When you're claiming your horsie riding experience is in any way a muscular endurance exercise of the magnitude required to compete with veteran men in win-or-die melee combat, you're just giving people reason to start posting facepalm pictures.

 

You have also evidently missed the bits in some of my other posts where I have mentioned taking part in historical re-enactments.

 

Done that as well. Do tell, exactly how many hours of full contact combat were you engaged in against the kind of at least 160lb male powerhouses I was talking about the last time I responded to you?

 

Stamina has nothing to do with the size of your tits or lack thereof.

 

Yeah, it does. You just don't have the stamina you seem to think you do. Your experiences are irrelevant. Be in a professional male rowing team. Step into an MMA or boxing ring in a male league. Do something that matters, instead of vague allusions to things you want to think mean something. It isn't just horse riding children can do, I've also seen pre-teens doing re-enactment training....well, I haven't if the people who were insuring the troupe ask. Doesn't mean they're capable of full blown combat.

 

And as for your assertion about archers, how do you explain archaeoligical findings that suggest medieval archers were of strong build?

 

Archery as an exercise involves heavy use of the shoulders and the back. Anyone can do archery up to the limit of their personal strength and be as fat as they like considering they don't need to be using the bow non-stop. It's a matter of single draw strength and that's it, no actual endurance required.

 

There is a difference between a modern bow and a medieval style longbow and I've drawn both. Your friend is not exactly a typical archer.

 

He's a very typical archer. There's pretty much no archer on the planet now who is anything like a medieval combat archer. If one were to be unforgiving and make comparisons to English longbowmen, they are most certainly far beyond any modern archer because they used bows of such large draw weight for so much of their lives, with an expectation of such swift use in battle, they developed twisted spines and bone spurs in the wrists. Such longbows are an eighty pound draw on the lowest educated estimates. Do tell, what's your draw weight on an all-Yew straight bow with a war arrow? And how many shots can you make on it in a minute?

 

You are trying to equate a modern athletic standard to a medieval fantasy setting where it would not apply. And I did not carry on with the athletics because...read the bit about interesting trainers and scientists

 

*LOL* No, you're the one trying to equate a modern athletic standard to a medieval fantasy setting. You're trying to apply your own supremely inadequate modern athletic experiences to the argument of why a woman capable of acting as a melee death machine isn't going to be hefty in the chest department....if she didn't want to get killed by men, anyway.

 

Ultimately, the argument is against ludicrous boobs hammered into female armour, and it's at the point where you can't even properly justify a female hardass having much boob at all, let alone requiring such modification. Hell, I gave names for actual examples of modern female fighters (who still can't take on their male counterparts anyway) and you're....talking about your horse riding and 'several thousand meters' of rowing. You might have gotten away with that if no-one knew what that actually meant, but I do, and you are not even close to fit enough to serve as an example.

[WolfScribe]

This really has not solved anything. TES is NOT our universe. If women were dominant in history then armour would be based around them and their figure. I doubt breast cup's in the 'sexy' sense would exist. More likely the whole plate would angle out slightly to provide extra room without poorly deflecting things.