Female plate armor with or without breast cups.

[Arcadiast]

@Wolbryne

 

First..

 

Seviche quoted me so I think you actually meant to direct your post at me.

 

..sorry for that. Should have watched more carefully.

 

I have to admit, i do like your conversation style and that you take your time to read and respond to so many posts. You certainly "leave no one behind". So kudos for that.

 

I also find this

 

Compromising the arced structure of a breast plate would render the breast plate worthless.

 

very interesting and admit that I never looked at it that way. So actually you might have a point in here.

 

Nonetheless, Body Armor (the ones before invention of Guns) evolved well over thousand years. Because, as I stated, most fighting human beings were actually men, "research" in Armor technology more or less only considered only men. Body Armor was therefore best designed and fitted for the anatomy of human males. Certainly, if we had at least the same amount of women fighting in direct battles (they did fight but mostly outside of battlefields especially when their men lost...which is kinda unfair by the way) or if we had as many female Knights as male than I am sure that we would have come with designs that well incorporate all the "comfort" and security a female Body would "demand".

 

Of course, some mods out there with hugely overstated Breast Sizes are just ridiculous "Eyecandy". I would not discuss about that but I am very sure that fighting Women in medieval Ages would have had another Designs in their Armors. Better fitted for their anatomy.

 

two of my five sisters are in the military and even they admit that every woman they've ever encountered that's a soldier says they want nothing to do with combat (even my sisters themselves admit they don't want to fight)

 

That is also true for men by the way. At least for those who have experienced real Combat.

[KratosAurion777]

I live in france and i saw many museum , i never saw A female Armor actually , Just some Picture or Jeanne d'arc ( joan of arc in english ) Wearing one .

 

Did you actually see//wear A chainmail with a plate ? well it's between 20-35 kg , try to move with that , now add a sword and a shield , Do you think a woman can wear that ?

 

Female Middle age Armor never existed .

 

Actually i am waiting for a mod that remove this .

[Wolbryne]

@Wolbryne

 

First..

 

Seviche quoted me so I think you actually meant to direct your post at me.

 

..sorry for that. Should have watched more carefully.

 

I have to admit, i do like your conversation style and that you take your time to read and respond to so many posts. You certainly "leave no one behind". So kudos for that.

 

I also find this

 

Compromising the arced structure of a breast plate would render the breast plate worthless.

 

very interesting and admit that I never looked at it that way. So actually you might have a point in here.

 

Nonetheless, Body Armor (the ones before invention of Guns) evolved well over thousand years. Because, as I stated, most fighting human beings were actually men, "research" in Armor technology more or less only considered only men. Body Armor was therefore best designed and fitted for the anatomy of human males. Certainly, if we had at least the same amount of women fighting in direct battles (they did fight but mostly outside of battlefields especially when their men lost...which is kinda unfair by the way) or if we had as many female Knights as male than I am sure that we would have come with designs that well incorporate all the "comfort" and security a female Body would "demand".

 

Of course, some mods out there with hugely overstated Breast Sizes are just ridiculous "Eyecandy". I would not discuss about that but I am very sure that fighting Women in medieval Ages would have had another Designs in their Armors. Better fitted for their anatomy.

 

two of my five sisters are in the military and even they admit that every woman they've ever encountered that's a soldier says they want nothing to do with combat (even my sisters themselves admit they don't want to fight)

 

That is also true for men by the way. At least for those who have experienced real Combat.

 

so you can see the point about the arcing over the torso. then you must also see what would happen if you compromize that arc. even the slightest cups would make it seize to be arced and when hit over the cups the kinetic energy of the blow would be distributed over the cup in-staid of the whole torso structure of the armor and be transferred directly from the edges of the cup in to the body in-staid of the rest of the armor and move towards the back of it.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4514/kineticarmor.jpg

the same of course applies the same when looking from the top and not just from the side :P

 

about the wanting to go into combat. there are some who wants to, but they are not very many and you could argue their mental status/sanity

[agno]

I wonder about Woman cops. All western cops wear Kevlar armor on duty. Even the men find their

chests and shoulders much bulkier than normal, I presume womans kevlar is tailored a bit

differently with a cavity for the breast to squish into.... mind you its not a large cavity and

the breasts are still firmly pressed.... its not about fashion its about stopping bullets.

 

A realistic female plate would probably work best on a small breasted woman, a or b cup

simply wearing a male plate where the chest area had been somewhat deformed and moulded

outward, also the woman should wear thick woolen padding around her shoulders, neck and

across the front of the chest, to make the armor less abrasive to her chest / shoulders where

a lot off the weight is going to rest.

 

not quite Xena.

[elleonblanco]

@ Wolbryne

 

Damn Wolbryne you tore everyone a new A$$... LOL. Anyhow as has been stated. It is fantasy. That is why we have mods to make that fantasy what you want it to be. No reason to have a great historical discussion over it since it really isn't history. Hell.. I never even changed my character's facce from the original Altmer. I just wanted to get down to some serious shootin' and lootin'. :smile:

 

Merry Christmas to all of you! Hope you have a great weekend with your family and friends.

[Robynah]

This is a pointless argument. Plate armor did not look masculine or feminine. It was more fat-ass shape than anything.

 

You guys are confusing reality

 

http://www.digital-images.net/Gallery/Scenic/AsstScenic/London/PlateArmor_LeedsCastle_1647.jpg

 

with

 

http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/4/45/JuggernautArmor.jpg

[Matth85]

It was more fat-ass shape than anything.

 

What is worse, getting your ass kicked by the last image, or by the first? ;)

 

But I must agree here: Armor are not made to fit a body type. THey are made universally to fit the human body. As said earlier, no women that would fight in a war would have big enough breasts for it to be a problem. They would look as weird as everybody else.

Edited December 23, 2011 by Matth85

[stalebiscuit]

I have nothing to add to this conversation except this:

Henry VIII armour image (moderately suggestive image):

 

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images.travelpod.com/users/aasta.martin/1.1282489975.king-henry-viii-armour.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-photo/aasta.martin/1/1282489975/king-henry-viii-armour.jpg/tpod.html&h=733&w=550&sz=139&tbnid=cJ3gLSWlBN-wyM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dking%2Bhenry%2Bviii%2Barmour%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=king+henry+viii+armour&docid=YCvDC5Myv9-OzM&sa=X&ei=iuX0TvSGGeXr0gHY2aTHAg&ved=0CEUQ9QEwBQ&dur=953

 

Or just google "King Henry VIII armor".

 

Apparently most of his later armour had this erh special part and he used the armor in tournaments. I have also read that some women believed that touching that thing would increase their chances of becoming pregnant.

 

Carry on

[Wolbryne]

I have nothing to add to this conversation except this:

Henry VIII armour image (moderately suggestive image):

 

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images.travelpod.com/users/aasta.martin/1.1282489975.king-henry-viii-armour.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-photo/aasta.martin/1/1282489975/king-henry-viii-armour.jpg/tpod.html&h=733&w=550&sz=139&tbnid=cJ3gLSWlBN-wyM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dking%2Bhenry%2Bviii%2Barmour%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=king+henry+viii+armour&docid=YCvDC5Myv9-OzM&sa=X&ei=iuX0TvSGGeXr0gHY2aTHAg&ved=0CEUQ9QEwBQ&dur=953

 

Or just google "King Henry VIII armor".

 

Apparently most of his later armour had this erh special part and he used the armor in tournaments. I have also read that some women believed that touching that thing would increase their chances of becoming pregnant.

 

Carry on

 

didn't he name his penis "England"?

[ginnyfizz]

Not as far as even the most scurrilous history book I have read can tell, you are perhaps misinterpreting the line in the music hall song "I'm 'Enery the Eighth I am" where the name Willie is referred to.