[LE] Fear Aura question

[forascalon]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you lofgren - if I set the damage effect to "Concentration" cast type instead of "Fire and Forget" it does not work. The effect hits the target (i.e. you can see the hit visual), but causes no change in behavior. As soon as I change it back to Fire and Forget it works normally, unless I try to edit the primary cloak effect, which breaks it because you can't choose the damage spell anymore when it's set to be Fire and Forget.

 

It's all very complicated, but in testing this is the only way I've been able to get this to work.

 

Just so we're clear, I'm referencing several different components here:

 

1. Enchantment

--> 2. Primary Magic Effect (specified in the Enchantment window, a Cloak archetype, Constant Effect cast type) : this gives you the cloak visual effect on yourself and calls the damage spell

--> 3. Associated Item (an actual damage Spell chosen from a drop-down list inside the Primary Magic Effect's window) : called by the primary effect

--> 4. The Damage Effect (magic effect specified inside the Damage Spell, Fire and Forget cast type, Demoralize archetype) : actually does the damage to the enemy

[lofgren]

Disagree all you want, you're still wrong.

[forascalon]

Thank you for that insightful, constructive post, sir!

 

It may be that a single spell, set to Concentration cast type with Demoralize archetype can be used as a normal attack spell on an enemy - I haven't tested that. However, with a Cloak spell, specifically, configuring the "damage spell" component to use Concentration causes my spell to do absolutely nothing. Setting that single variable to "Fire and Forget" instead of Concentration causes the spell to work as expected, and changing only that one value back again causes the spell to fail as I described above.

 

Perhaps I should be more specific and say that in this particular enchantment I'm working on the Fear mechanic will not work as a Concentration cast type, but there may be other ways in which it does.

[lofgren]

Look, if you want to post screenshots of your magic effects, spells, and enchantment, maybe I can tell you what you are doing wrong. What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that using a concentration spell as the hit spell for a cloak effect works, because I have done it.

[NexusComa]

We need to see scripts and pictures with detail information to what you are doing to be able to help you.

This is way more then a simple spell, hard to speculate on something you can't see when it's custom made.

[forascalon]

Aha! Gentlemen, thank you for your thoughts. :-)

 

@NexusComa - I've attached images of the Primary Effect (what is actually linked to the Enchantment itself) and also the Damage Effect (attached to a spell, which is called by the Primary effect).

 

@lofgren - I am 100% certain you are correct, sir. You can definitely use a Concentration cast-type as the "hit effect" of a cloak spell normally. However, normally those hit spells use the "Value Modifier" archetype to damage health, magicka, or stamina. I don't believe you can use this archetype to modify "confidence" because it doesn't get regenerated in the same way. My hit spell uses the "demoralize" archetype, as you can see from the attached picture, to lower the target's confidence, which is a timed effect. It seems to me after hours of testing that this particular archetype doesn't actually lower the target's confidence at all if you choose Concentration instead of Fire and Forget when using Demoralize as the archetype. If I use a regular damage health effect, I can absolutely set it to Concentration and everything works normally. Are you telling me you've created a Fear Cloak spell like this using a Concentration cast type before? I'll believe you, I'm just not sure we're on the same page.

 

 

I appreciate your willingness to look into this with me. It's been a real puzzler!

[lofgren]

Yes, I am 100% certain that using a concentration spell with the demoralize archetype as the hit spell for a cloak effect works.

[lofgren]

Sorry it took so long to look into this. I still have no idea why it is not working for you. I took the above and switched it from fire and forget to concentration and it worked instantly. The only oddity so far is that the magnitude of the fear spell seems to not be calculated correctly for some reason, but it is definitely working.

[forascalon]

That's so insane! LOL

 

I'll have to keep messing around to see if I can figure out why it wasn't working for me. Thank you very much for all your suggestions.

[Caerulean]

I can confirm that Demoralize + Concentration + Aimed works as a cloak's associated spell. Same with Calm iirc. I don't have the Hostile flag checked though. Have you tried setting the magnitude to something really high like 99? xD