Why do you think the Stormcloaks won't attack the Thalmor?

[davahkin]

there is a book in the thalmor embassy with reference to Ulfric . Reading it could be enlightening.

[marharth]

there is a book in the thalmor embassy with reference to Ulfric . Reading it could be enlightening.

It says he was captured when he was in the legion and he betrayed the legion to escape. The thalmor do not consider him a ally in anyway, he is considered a asset because he gave information on the empire to get away. He is not currently an asset.

Edited December 31, 2011 by marharth

[Khorak]

there is a book in the thalmor embassy with reference to Ulfric . Reading it could be enlightening.

It says he was captured when he was in the legion and he betrayed the legion to escape. The thalmor do not consider him a ally in anyway, he is considered a asset because he gave information on the empire to get away. He is not currently an asset.

 

Actually he was captured and gives some undetermined information to them under torture. The information doesn't appear to have been any use to them, since they claimed he had helped them take the Imperial City and released him. The report itself notes that they had already taken the city, and one would hope that Ulfric himself would subsequently have worked this out, but he was nonetheless somewhat bummed out by this (torture is a matter of when, not if).

 

Presumably the Thalmor thought he might have been useful in this state: we now know they were horribly, horribly wrong. Their report states he became 'uncooperative' after they attempted direct contact with him before or during the Markarth Incident, and now he's trying to kill the s*** out of any Thalmor he gets his hands on. it goes on to say that the civil war is what's in their best interests and they'll try to keep it going in the current state of deadlock (DOVAHKIIN TO THE RESCUE!), but they can't try to contact him directly. The report makes it pretty clear that Ulfric is in no way a pawn or even slightly cooperative with the Thalmor. They captured him during the Great War and tried to mess with his head when they found out he was the son of a Jarl and potentially useful. Whatever success they had with that stopped when they tried talking to him.

 

Any idea that the Stormcloaks won't attack the Thalmor, given what we know, is madness. Ulfric pretty much wants to turn Skyrim back to its traditional ways....which happen to include Skyrim being an armed to the teeth military juggernaught that lives only to crush, kill and destroy anything that looks slightly elfy....because Ulfric wants the Thalmor to die.

[eltucu]

The report makes obvious that the Thalmor doesnt want either side to win the soberany of Skyrim. Thats the only reason for both the Thalmor wanting to "aid" the stormcloacks in "indirect" ways (that is, helping the stormcloacks in ways that they couldnt recognise that the Thalmor was pulling the strings) and the Empire while it tries to reclaim skyrim for the Empire.

 

Essencially, if either side wins, that is bad for the thalmor. IF the empire wins, they can redirect their full attention to the Thalmor, if the Stormcloacks wins, they are going to be another threat to the Thalmor supremacy amd the empire would have to switch priorities, that is, leaving skyrim alone and pay attention to the Thalmor for now.

 

Its even more clear that Ulfric is well aware that was manipulated by the Thalmor in the discussion for the Peace Treaty when the Thalmor agent tries to stirr up animosities between the Empire and the Stormcloack, when Ulfric, at the border of reacting badly says "No... Not this time"

 

Not counting that Galmar, who clearly has a lot of pull in Ulfric's desitions, states over and over again that reclaiming skyrim is the first step, in his words, the Thalmor are the real enemy.

 

Anyway Khorak already explained that pretty well...

Edited December 31, 2011 by eltucu

[ProudHungaryan]

Ulfric is a quite inscrutable person. He is a true Nord, he studied with the greybeards to learn the Way of the Voice, he even became on of the greybeards themselves (though he hasn't got a really grey beard), but then they ostracize him because of the ,,murder" of the High King (thus not using the Voice for Kynareth's glory only, as they do). BUT in my opinion, the High King of Skyrim must be a Nord, nay, the Nordest Nord, 'cause of he is the -High- King. A true Nord must learn the Voice, as the book Children of Sky says. If Torygg (who, I think, was too young and not yet ready to lead Skyrim) wasn't enough strong for the challenge, then it's the very proof for that Ulfric's cause is just. Ulfric is using the Unrelenting Force in battle (yes, he always stand at the front of the battle, counter to General Tullius, who cowardly just giving orders to soldiers), which means he couldn't shout Torygg ,,to pieces", as Pighead Tullius lies. He finished Torygg with his sword, as he says, if you ask Him. Yes, he doesn't like the non-Nords, but it's the Nords' homeland, these are their villages, their traditions. Besides, outsiders who aren't dark elves, aren't trusted in Morrowind, non-khajiits aren't trusted in Elsweyr, and so on. Nobody can blame a glorius Nord warrior, who aren't as kind to a sneaky khajiit thief with pockets full of poisonus skooma as one of his kinsman.

And for he is not defending the dark elves from bandits? Why even they come here? Nobody called them here, this beautiful land. Morrowind is quite large for all of those dark bastards. The next thing against Ulfric, the massacre at karthwasten. Hmm, yes, Ulfric killed many of these Forsworn, but remember: there was a war at then. And the forsworn are rude caveman bandits, allied with foul hagraven witches and they are torturing goats for their dark rituals for worshipping evil daedric princes. Ulfric once saved the whole city of Markarth from them with his sword and his Voice. He shows wisdom in decisions and he is fearless in battle and loyal for his people, who are ready to sacrifice their lives for him.

Yes, the Empire bended his knee to the tyrant Thalmor, cowardly surrended for them, they gave up the memory of great Talos for saving their own ragged lives. Ulfric bravely fighting with his small army against a United Empire for this treachery.He is the Savior of the Nords, perhaps the Next Talos, defending His Name. Is he power-hungry? Yes, perhaps. But a good autocracy means the best for its country; the king leads it with unshaken hands. And at last, for answering the question, why the stormcloaks won't attack the Thalmor? Remember: At the end of the Great War, the Thalmor didn't totally defeated the Empire, they forged an ,,alliance". Because the Thalmor themselves weakened through the war, too. They needed a loyal dog, who is defending them and giving them free hands. The Empire was perfect for this method. They made a ,,brilliant touch" with the banning of Talos worship, 'cause Talos was the symbol of the fight against the Thalmor, and with it banned, they wiped out the resistance, at least who are comply with the law. But they are no gods, oh nooo, if Ulfric manages to entirely and permamently clean out the corrupt Empire, the damned Thalmor will at last fall with them, yes, straight to the depths of Oblivion for eternal torment for their horrible crimes against humankind.

 

Sorry for the long speech (speechcraft increased to 100), I choosed the Persuade option and I spoken from my heart.

Edited July 1, 2012 by ProudHungaryan

[Psiberzerker]

The Thalmor have 3 instilations in Skyrim, the Headquarters in Castle Dour, Solitude, the Embassy, north of the city, and Northwatch, West of the Embassy, all the way at the far north coast. All of this about as deep into Impirial territory as you can get.

 

Ulfric is considered a sleeper agent for the Thalmor, to continue destabilizing the region. He was tortured at length by Elenwen, who is first seen at Helgen, sitting on horseback with a small army of soldiers to stop the excecution. (Look to your left as the cart enters the city.)

 

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier%3A_Ulfric_Stormcloak