Healthcare

[ninja_lord666]

The only real reason any one of you can allow themselves to be against social healthcare is the fact you can pay for it yourself. If you couldn't it'd be a different story, wouldn't it?

I'm poor. My family isn't in poverty, but we're still poor. We're just barely in middle class.

 

 

Are you sure you aren't succumbing to media pressure?

I don't watch the news, they're all rotten lairs. They say drug use has gone down since the 'War on Drugs' has started, but, in fact, drug use has gone up by about 30%. So, if anything, people who say drug use isn't a big deal are the ones controlled by the media.

[Xeniorn]

You and I have quite different definitions of poor. The poor I'm talking about is poor that cannot in any way afford a Quad-Core Processor and the poor that cannot pay their medical bills. You fall at both presumptions, therefore you are not poor by my standards.

 

Even if drug use went up 100% it would still be an order of magnitude or a little more under the number of the poor. It is impossible to have more than a certain percentage of junkies because they'd literally be loitering and littering the streets. It is, of course, a big deal. But the number of poor people not provided with medical aid is a bigger deal. It's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Druggies would still use drugs just like they do anyway, but fair poor folk would be relieved of the fear of ever being injured or sick as it would cost their family years of recuperating.

[ninja_lord666]

The poor I'm talking about is poor that cannot in any way afford a Quad-Core Processor and the poor that cannot pay their medical bills.

Did you, perhaps, think for more than two seconds? This computer was a Christmas gift that my parents, grandparents, aunt, and uncle all saved up for months to get. Even still, we're not done paying it off yet. The poor limit is 25K a year, and my parents make about 32K a year. That's pretty close to poor.

[NewtC]

Others good for me to.

 

NewtC

[Xeniorn]

@ninja: I believe you are poor to a certain degree if you say so, but since you *can* pay your medical bills you are not the poor I'm reffering to. I don't want to debate you over this because we are both right and there's really nothing to debate. Please take my apologies for calling you unpoor. America simply has different standards for poor than where I come from. ;)

[Marcus Wolfe]

Albertan politician Ralph Klein once proposed a system were the rich people could pay money to at the front of the line when it comes to waiting rooms. What do you have to say to that?

[worm82075]

@ninja: I believe you are poor to a certain degree if you say so, but since you *can* pay your medical bills you are not the poor I'm reffering to. I don't want to debate you over this because we are both right and there's really nothing to debate. Please take my apologies for calling you unpoor. America simply has different standards for poor than where I come from. ;)

 

No, you got it right Xeniorn. 32K a year is quite well to do in this country. Ninja your my friend, your are very intelligent and very mature, so I am sorry to tell you that you do not know what you are talking about. At the ripe old age of 16 you have had everything handed to you and know absolutely nothing about having to pay your way in this world. I have been on my own since I was a year older than you and there have been years that I earned less than 5k and was homeless most of the time. That is poor my friend. I currently earn around 22k a year and I support a 15 month old and a stay at home mom. We live comfortably and want for very little. Of course neither I nor my wife abuse drugs or alcohol so our bills are paid (including health insurance for all of us), the fridge is fully stocked and i can afford to run out and fulfill most of my wifes whims. We are by no means poor and unless your parents squander all their money on drugs and alcohol then neither are you. Hell, your more well to do than I am especially since you ain't gotta do sh** to enjoy the comforts of life and by comforts of life I mean food, clothing, shelter, heath care and a wide array of entertainment outlets. You only think your poor because you have never seen it any worse than it is right now, but I'm here to tell you from first hand experience that you don't know the meaning of the word.

 

 

As far as health care in America is concerned, yeah it leaves a lot to be desired but in many ways it is no different than socialized health care and that is because of the laws in place. It is federally mandated that no privately funded health organazation may refuse emergency medical attention to anyone for any reason under penalty of medical license revocation. So you see we don't just let the poor die by the thousands in this country. Any child under the age of 18 receives free medical care if applied for. Well, as the parent you must make less than 18,700$ a year to be eligible for that program and all that money for child and emergency health care comes from taxes, just like socialized heath care. The difference is, here in America you will not be able to get your teeth straightened on tax payer dollars and if you are a healthy adult without health insurance then you just haven't been pulling your own weight and whatever happens to you is more than likely your own doing so i haven't got ant sympathy for ya, sorry. If I can take care of myself and my family and pay taxes then so can you. So if your to damn lazy to work for a living or just don't have the need to then I'm afraid as far as this matter is concerned your opinion don't mean sh**.

 

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I voted for other because both systems are flawed but you make do with what you got. Life is not a picnic it's more like camping trip, if you wanna be comfortable you gotta work for it.

[ninja_lord666]

No, you got it right Xeniorn. 32K a year is quite well to do in this country. Ninja your my friend, your are very intelligent and very mature, so I am sorry to tell you that you do not know what you are talking about. At the ripe old age of 16 you have had everything handed to you and know absolutely nothing about having to pay your way in this world. I have been on my own since I was a year older than you and there have been years that I earned less than 5k and was homeless most of the time. That is poor my friend. I currently earn around 22k a year and I support a 15 month old and a stay at home mom. We live comfortably and want for very little. Of course neither I nor my wife abuse drugs or alcohol so our bills are paid (including health insurance for all of us), the fridge is fully stocked and i can afford to run out and fulfill most of my wifes whims. We are by no means poor and unless your parents squander all their money on drugs and alcohol then neither are you. Hell, your more well to do than I am especially since you ain't gotta do sh** to enjoy the comforts of life and by comforts of life I mean food, clothing, shelter, heath care and a wide array of entertainment outlets. You only think your poor because you have never seen it any worse than it is right now, but I'm here to tell you from first hand experience that you don't know the meaning of the word.

Point taken, but I'm 17.46 years old.

[Carah]

I can't complain; it's free. I will put up with over crowded emergency rooms.