Stronglav Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 First you see him in the game is shooting your spouse.By that time you know nothing about him.Who is he?Where he come from?And the game doesnt let you find out about him untill after confront him.By that moment he is dead....But watching his memorys.... made me feel something.We can see his entire road from the childhood to the end and how he became a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 *shrug* He's still just as much the result of his own decisions. There are people who were dealt just as bad a hand, or even worse, and didn't decide that the way to go was to become an armed thug for a gang -- which Kellogg seems to have done promptly after running away from home -- and later promote to hitman for hire. I mean, you don't even have to look too far. Abernathy had it worse than just having an alcoholic dad, but you don't see him going "screw it, I'll just be a gun for hire now." Hell, even McCready, he's had a worse childhood. And yeah, he joined a mercenary gang, but then left it when it became clear they're no better than raiders. He didn't go, "well, I guess I'll just be an assassin instead." Or even when they do think it would be cool to be a gangster, most can't. For example Jake Finch thought he could go raider and have a more glam life than being a farmer, but in the end he couldn't actually kill people. Etc. That's how normal people act. And that's how Kellogg didn't act. I mean, hell, even if Kellogg wanted to make a living with a gun, it's not like there weren't other oportunities in the NCR. They have a rather big military, they have caravan guards, police, private security guards, etc. But he didn't choose to join any of those, did he? No, he chose to be a gangster. And then when that went badly, hey, he'll just promote himself to hitman. I don't feel much sympathy for him, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGadget1945 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Like the saying goes "Live by the sword, die by the sword". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Those who live by the sword get shot by those of us who don't :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer09 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 One thing that has bugged me a bit about Kellogg - he hasn't aged.Between the time that you first see him in Vault 111 and the time that you confront him, he appears to be the same (I could be wrong, but I do have the impression that the Kellogg we eventually confront is the same, unaged, person).A few decades would have passed given Shaun's age when you first meet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stronglav Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 One thing that has bugged me a bit about Kellogg - he hasn't aged.Between the time that you first see him in Vault 111 and the time that you confront him, he appears to be the same (I could be wrong, but I do have the impression that the Kellogg we eventually confront is the same, unaged, person).A few decades would have passed given Shaun's age when you first meet him.Read father's terminal in the Institute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGadget1945 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 One thing that has bugged me a bit about Kellogg - he hasn't aged.Between the time that you first see him in Vault 111 and the time that you confront him, he appears to be the same (I could be wrong, but I do have the impression that the Kellogg we eventually confront is the same, unaged, person).A few decades would have passed given Shaun's age when you first meet him. It's the same process which allows food and drink to still be consumable after 210 years and oil lamps and candles to burn for the same amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montky Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 indeed...this was a good thread - a lot of folks like The Enclave or Kellogg,so when lore threads come up, they're always fun to see where folks are coming from. it would be awesome to have more FORPG options in FO4,allowing for choice to spare Kellogg or team up and join kellogg as another independent faction. /// lore rant///I would prefer to have kellogg meet the Captain from the Yangtze,and both of them talk in chinese, given Kellogg has worked for the Shi and may have an interest still there...heck, Kellogg might have a family with the Shi and be a great-grandpa haha.Kellogg might even mistakenly think the Yangtze is aligned with the Shi...so as Kellogg and the Yangtze return to the Shi,or the Shi take over the boardwalk area of boston, etc... I don't think the Yangtze will ever make it home to China (taiwan actually from bulkhead markings and the cargohold),its too far gone and would likely sink on the way home,much less what they'd treat the crew like when they did get home...that could be a game all on its own. Come to think of it...why can't Liberty Prime 2,0 'sniff' out the yangtze?Libby really dislikes em... so, when the institute mission came up, why didn't he target Yangtze?heck, even the SS Constitution robots know there's something out there, that's why they're trying to jump their shipover in that direction... If you can spare the captain of Yangtze, you can spare Kellogg.in the base game, you can spare the yangtze entirely, and you get additional rewards from the Captain if you leave all the crew alone.you're supposed to feel sorry for a crew that tried to nuke the country 200 years ago? what Kellogg did was NOTHING compared to what the captain of the Yangtze represents, especially to a pre-war US citizen who's spouse was an Anchorage vet...kellogg killed a few people to scrape a few caps in a post-apocalyptic world, and had a bad background...how many did the Captain of Yangtze? they chose to be there...heck, what the institute represents is nothing compared to what the captain of Yangtze is...I like the Shi, but lore-wise, 2077 happened because of IMAM and two other supercomputers... (I Have no mouth, and I must scream) etc... I would prefer to exile Kellogg from the boston wasteland, or freeze kellogg in a V111 chamber (ironic fate).or, reveal Mayor McDonough and Kellogg as Synths to Diamond City and let be what will be...or, if they'll take him, let Kellogg be resettled or work with the Railroad...or, Kellogg could be a useful agent for... the Enclave... Kellogg will stand trial for his crime, after the posthumous trial of the Vault Tec executives (the overseer of V111, the vault tec rep, will preside). I don't blame Kellogg entirely for what happened to the Sole Survivor's spouse (whoever they are);he was a cybernetic mercenary that may not have been acting under his full control...someone else used Kellogg, maybe the bad part of the institute, the SRB and directorate...just like a part of Kellogg is in Nick Valentine... maybe Kellogg and Nick Valentine and DIMA have more in common than we thought.they were used by evil folks and tossed in the trash when they said no...they're all 'failed' experiments, by a pre-war institute boffin who wants to live forever... anyway, what's a bullet between friends?memory den can wipe those last few seconds from the spouse's memory, and they'll be alright.and it may be possible to revive the spouse later (they could be connected or backed up in tranquility lane; V111 has a lot to do with stanislaus braun...or maybe bionic-spouse/6million dollar vault dweller...),so, no harm no foul if they come back haha.that would be the ultimate "last best hope for humanity" 'ultra-good" best ending; all the frozen V111 dwellers are alive,the Sole Survivor is reunited with their spouse, and they have a family... happily ever after.///end rant/// Kellogg would be useful leverage against the institute,and may even be able to broker a deal between the BoS, Institute (good faction) and Railroad...however,siding with Kellogg might make life difficult in places likeGoodneighbor, Atom Cats Garage, Diamond City and the ampitheatre... Kellogg's foil would be Sturges...sturges is a sleeper synth, and he'd be trying to 'accidentally on purpose' kill Kellogg...or, another foil... Paladin Danse.if you can spare Paladin Danse, you can spare Kellogg... I don't know if Nick Valentine and Kellogg would get along.would PAM and Kellogg get along? like a lot of things in FO4,Kellogg is an unexplored, incomplete branch.there are a lot of the elements there, though nowhere near as muchthe FORPG and sandbox or freeplay elements of previous titles.that said, I enjoy FO4 for what it is,and a lot of it is awesome hehe. I look forward to seeing what other folks come up with and theirthoughts on Kellogg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper69 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Cait had a worse childhood, and she turned out ok, if you overlook killing her parents (if I'd been there I would have re-loaded her gun) and working as a fighter. Now she's off the drugs and in love with me :cool: she's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisselli Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 One thing that has bugged me a bit about Kellogg - he hasn't aged.Between the time that you first see him in Vault 111 and the time that you confront him, he appears to be the same (I could be wrong, but I do have the impression that the Kellogg we eventually confront is the same, unaged, person).A few decades would have passed given Shaun's age when you first meet him. It's the same process which allows food and drink to still be consumable after 210 years and oil lamps and candles to burn for the same amount of time. So, Bethesda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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