Construction Set

[Maskar]

The construction set and the mods through it will be completely free???? Because it will be inside steam!!!!! :ohdear:

 

According to the Steam Workshop Contribution Agreement they're planning on selling uploaded mods and pay the modder 25% of the Adjusted Gross Revenue. So, there's clearly a financial interest in introducing the Steam Workshop. Also, allowing mods to be uploaded to other sites would make no financial sense as they would miss out on revenue on these mods. It seems therefore obvious to assume this option will be removed in the future. Yes, this is speculating (sue me, heh).

[Trollkin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the Steam Workshop currently only hosts stuff for TF2. Further, TF2 is a Valve game, and the Workshop was created as a forum for people to submit in-game clothing mods, for possible inclusion in the "official" game. All of this goes out the window for Skyrim - especially the submission terms/EULA/legal guano. Different beast altogether. Don't misunderstand me - I have absolutely no use for the Workshop, and the whole Steam integration thing has bothered me from the word go. But my tinfoil hat will, for now, stay in my closet.

[Bismarck]

We can always choose to not upload mods to Steam and to not pay for mods.

If I should ever create a mod in the future, I will upload it to Nexus for free while ignoring Steam.

[Sunnie]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

[Maskar]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

 

No offense, but if you don't like it, move on. No need to be rude.

[Sunnie]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

 

No offense, but if you don't like it, move on. No need to be rude.

I wasn't being rude, just honest. If it weren't for the speculating and bashing showing up in every other thread, then it wouldn't be so annoying. So, thanks for your opinion, but no thanks. :tongue:

[Maskar]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

 

No offense, but if you don't like it, move on. No need to be rude.

I wasn't being rude, just honest. If it weren't for the speculating and bashing showing up in every other thread, then it wouldn't be so annoying. So, thanks for your opinion, but no thanks. :tongue:

 

Telling people to shut up is rude imo. You don't own this forum. Again, if you don't like something, move on and let people who do talk about it. Thanks.

[SwampyTroll]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the Steam Workshop currently only hosts stuff for TF2. Further, TF2 is a Valve game, and the Workshop was created as a forum for people to submit in-game clothing mods, for possible inclusion in the "official" game. All of this goes out the window for Skyrim - especially the submission terms/EULA/legal guano. Different beast altogether. Don't misunderstand me - I have absolutely no use for the Workshop, and the whole Steam integration thing has bothered me from the word go. But my tinfoil hat will, for now, stay in my closet.

You aren't wrong. But since when has Steam ever decided to do things for the users instead of profit..?

 

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

This isn't Bethesda, though. This is Valve. We're using Valve examples in a Valve situation. The CK was announced, then the Workshop. What do you honestly think is going to happen? Forget throwing down everyone else. I want to know what you think the outcome will be.

[Sunnie]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

This isn't Bethesda, though. This is Valve. We're using Valve examples in a Valve situation. The CK was announced, then the Workshop. What do you honestly think is going to happen? Forget throwing down everyone else. I want to know what you think the outcome will be.

I have a rather unique and somewhat educated view because I have worked in the industry for over 25 years (last 12 in middle and executive management with a Sony company) . What I think is this: There is too little data to make guesses.

Bethesda is the property owner and developer, and Valve is only a service provider contracted to distribute and/or handle DRM for select Bethesda products, including the Steam Workshop. Valve can not dictate terms of service for properties they do not own, they can only dictate terms for the service they provide and how the end user consumes the services they provide. They can not claim ownership or require an end user to grant them any exclusive or non-exclusive rights to any derivative works that are by definition owned by the IP owner (Bethesda in this case) just because that end user uses the service contracted by said IP owner. I've spent enough hours with corporate attorneys over the last 10 years going over contracts and proposals to know that what most of the speculators are saying is just uneducated rhetoric. Obviously there are possibilities that Bethesda and Steam could come to any kind of agreement if it suites the needs of both business partners. However, Bethesda does not have a history of behavior that warrant a lot of the wild speculation that is happening. It is foolish to assume the terms for a product that Valve owns will be applied to a product they do not own.

 

The data we do have is this; Bethesda stated in public communications that the service will be free of charge, Steam will not be requiring anyone to pay for any user uploaded mods through the use of the toolset that Bethesda will release through Steam as a host and DRM.

 

I'll stop here because there are a myriad of things that could happen, however unlikely they may be. What I say here is from my POV influenced by my professional experience in the industry. YMMV :thumbsup:

[SwampyTroll]

Told ya it would quickly become Beth bashing! :happy:

 

Seriously, until they actually release the tools, and the Steam functionality, and the terms that go with it (it will be Bethsoft terms, not Valve terms), all any of you doom-and-gloom people are doing is speculating and guessing, using the way Valve handles it's own property as examples.

 

I hate to be blunt and sound like a beotch, but shut up already and wait for real info from BSG or the release and read the actual terms for it. It's really getting old. :facepalm:

This isn't Bethesda, though. This is Valve. We're using Valve examples in a Valve situation. The CK was announced, then the Workshop. What do you honestly think is going to happen? Forget throwing down everyone else. I want to know what you think the outcome will be.

I have a rather unique and somewhat educated view because I have worked in the industry for over 25 years (last 12 in middle and executive management with a Sony company) . What I think is this: There is too little data to make guesses.

Bethesda is the property owner and developer, and Valve is only a service provider contracted to distribute and/or handle DRM for select Bethesda products, including the Steam Workshop. Valve can not dictate terms of service for properties they do not own, they can only dictate terms for the service they provide and how the end user consumes the services they provide. They can not claim ownership or require an end user to grant them any exclusive or non-exclusive rights to any derivative works that are by definition owned by the IP owner (Bethesda in this case) just because that end user uses the service contracted by said IP owner. I've spent enough hours with corporate attorneys over the last 10 years going over contracts and proposals to know that what most of the speculators are saying is just uneducated rhetoric. Obviously there are possibilities that Bethesda and Steam could come to any kind of agreement if it suites the needs of both business partners. However, Bethesda does not have a history of behavior that warrant a lot of the wild speculation that is happening. It is foolish to assume the terms for a product that Valve owns will be applied to a product they do not own.

 

The data we do have is this; Bethesda stated in public communications that the service will be free of charge, Steam will not be requiring anyone to pay for any user uploaded mods through the use of the toolset that Bethesda will release through Steam as a host and DRM.

 

I'll stop here because there are a myriad of things that could happen, however unlikely they may be. What I say here is from my POV influenced by my professional experience in the industry. YMMV :thumbsup:

Well while I completely disagree with your conclusion, I'm glad you at least answered the challenge in a civilized manner.

 

Now, you are aware of how things are going to work, right? Are we making speculation? Yeah. But I'm sure you know what an educated guess is. Valve does this kind of thing all the time. And it's not like Bethesda can really do much about Valve. That's the only way people can buy the PC version of Skyrim. So ultimately, we're looking at Valve, waiting for their move.

 

It doesn't take a genius to be able to predict what Valve will do. They'll do what they've always done; squeeze the game until they're wrung out all the money possible. And something tells me that Valve's not gonna grow a heart and make this a sugar-coated wonderland. They will do everything they can to make money off of this.

 

Now, is Steam Workshop really that big of a deal? No. But I still get the same gut-wrenching feeling in my stomach that I did when it first came out. A video game company actually had the balls to try to pull money in from modding. Maybe you're not quite so appalled because you're used to game companies doing shitty things. That's fine. But there is a reason for all this frustration. It's like with the release of Rage... Quality is going down the drain and being replaced with the next money scheme.

 

Edit: Small spelling issue...Compulsive behavior kicked in.

Edited January 8, 2012 by SwampyTroll