[WIP] Belua Sanguinare Revisited

[MofoMojo]

What about these names?

 

1. Sumo mortalis Formo (assume/take mortal form)

 

2. Sumo mortalis (assume/take mortal)

 

3. Dissimulo verus Formo (Conceal true form)

 

4. Velo verus Formo (Veil/Cover true form)

 

(If my word order is wrong sorry. I googeled the Latin term for each word)

 

I'm probably going into scope creep again, but I really like some of these ideas I'm thinking. So, I'll leave the latin up to Phil11 but I like the sound of Sumo Mortalis Formo and yet another idea. What if under that form you didn't get to use any special passive strengths but still had the weaknesses? I don't know what gameplay it offers in terms of use, since outside of when you're KOS it has no other use.

 

I wonder if using enthrall (our speech modifier) and going ahead and using a little mana, say 3/sec might make it a more useful tool, rather than just a plaything for those that aren''t AOS.

 

-MM

 

Edit for Clarity:

What I propose is this. I remove Enthrall from the available spell lists for Master, Progenitor and Sire. At those levels, you would cast this spell, your outward appearance would be your previous racial form, it would remove AOS if you're currently under AOS, AND it would auto-cast the appropriate level of Entrhall for you.

Edited March 23, 2012 by MofoMojo

[MofoMojo]

More as a personal note than anything, I think I'm going to take a stab back on using Telekinesis and animating weapons. I found the following possible solution looking for ways to force the player to re-arm themselves.

 

ObjectReference Function GetPlayerGrabbedRef()

Obtains the ObjectReference the player is currently grabbing.

 

Assuming that items under telekinesis are considered to be grabbed, then I should be able to determine the object that's grabbed by the player, and when dual casting our telekinesis spell it could create one of my Ethereal Axe like NPCs to pick up and use the weapon for a limited time...

 

Quick Question Time:

Do you guys think the concealing ability should be a SPELL (have to equip and cast in hand) or toggle as a lesser power? I'm starting to lean toward lesser power so you can keep your hands free since it's toggleable.

 

-MM

Edited March 23, 2012 by MofoMojo

[elricshan]

hmm toggable is good as a consealing. i mean it would be suspisus if you saw someone constantly casting the same spell. i think i would get suspisus would not you?

[nskin039]

 

Do you guys think the concealing ability should be a SPELL (have to equip and cast in hand) or toggle as a lesser power? I'm starting to lean toward lesser power so you can keep your hands free since it's toggleable.

 

-MM

 

Definitely toggaleable.

Also of the names I suggested my favorite is also Sumo Mortalis Formo (I think is it sounds the best in Latin and in English: assume mortal form)

 

In regards to autocasting Enthrall, that is an interesting idea. I personally would prefer to have the option of whether or not to cast it.

 

Question:

I am planning on playing with AOS for any levels of vampirism. Would AOS mean that vampires, followers, and Thralls (other vampire's and my own) attack me too?

Edited March 23, 2012 by nskin039

[MofoMojo]

 

Do you guys think the concealing ability should be a SPELL (have to equip and cast in hand) or toggle as a lesser power? I'm starting to lean toward lesser power so you can keep your hands free since it's toggleable.

 

-MM

 

Definitely toggaleable.

Also of the names I suggested my favorite is also Sumo Mortalis Formo (I think is it sounds the best in Latin and in English: assume mortal form)

 

In regards to autocasting Enthrall, that is an interesting idea. I personally would prefer to have the option of whether or not to cast it.

 

Question:

I am planning on playing with AOS for any levels of vampirism. Would AOS mean that vampires, followers, and Thralls (other vampire's and my own) attack me too?

 

Toggle it is. I like it, and I only needed one person to say DO IT. :)

 

So, here's the deal. The Formo spell is essentially useless outside of having AOS enabled. What I've done is made Enthrall work whenever you have the Form up and aren't staving...if you're starving then Enthrall won't work, and Formo will just stop the AOS effect as long as you have the mana to keep it up. The enthrall part of it just gets applied as an ability. It doesn't consume additional magicka.

 

Only enemies of the VampirePCFaction will attack you. Basically Guards, and Vigilant of Stendarr. Normal citizens will not attack you but I am thinking about having them fear you and run away. Your followers, thralls, etc,. will not attack you.

 

-MM

[nskin039]

 

Only enemies of the VampirePCFaction will attack you. Basically Guards, and Vigilant of Stendarr. Normal citizens will not attack you but I am thinking about having them fear you and run away. Your followers, thralls, etc,. will not attack you.

 

-MM

 

Don't think about it. Do it. All mortals should either flee or maybe if they are certain level (above or close to the PC's current level) they should attack the PC . But they should at least try to run away.

[phil11]

Just to clarify, nskin039. Those are good ideas. However, 'formo' is the verb form. It should be 'forma'.

 

lol Latin conjugation and declensions are annoying. I forget most of them, so I still have to look them up to refresh. Don't go thinking I'm some expert on Latin. :D

 

Oh, and I'll add my vote on the conceal ability being toggleable.

 

Edit: If I have to, I'll call up my older brother who's a PhD in philosophy. He knows Latin better than anyone I know.

Edited March 24, 2012 by phil11

[MofoMojo]

Just to clarify, nskin039. Those are good ideas. However, 'formo' is the verb form. It should be 'forma'.

 

lol Latin conjugation and declensions are annoying. I forget most of them, so I still have to look them up to refresh. Don't go thinking I'm some expert on Latin. :D

 

Oh, and I'll add my vote on the conceal ability being toggleable.

 

Edit: If I have to, I'll call up my older brother who's a PhD in philosophy. He knows Latin better than anyone I know.

 

Phil,

 

So Sumo Mortalis Forma?

 

Ok, toggled it is.

 

Alright all. These forays into feature adds are causing the release to suffer. It's all my fault mind you. So.. outside of adding in the negative effects for hunger, I need to stay away from adding new stuff for now which means dropping my telekinesis efforts for now too. Otherwise, everytime I add a feature or work on something that's not fit and polish it pushes back the beta release and I really want to get this out for you.

 

Thanks so much for the help and suggestions Phil and Nskin!

 

-MM

[Jakisthe]

Hmm.

 

Toggleable does seem like a good idea. Still drains magicka though, so it's a tactical choice and reasoning for use.

 

About the scope though...MM is right. The more we spend on tweaking the smaller details, the longer it'll take us to release the beta. Not saying it's bad! Not at all. I forget what I was gunna say here; no matter how I word it, it sounds like I'm trying to suppress creativity, which of course isn't the case at all.

 

:mellow:

Edited March 24, 2012 by Jakisthe

[nskin039]

@MofoMojo happy to help.

@ phil11 Like I said previously I am not Latin expert. Thanks for the correction.

 

@All I know this is out of scope for now, but eventually are we going to be able to transform NPC into new vamps? IMO this is a must have at some point.

So far I know two mods have done it in Skyrim

1. The Vampire FX Project (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=10898)

2. Better Vampires by Brehanin 3_5; (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9717)

Edited March 24, 2012 by nskin039