Body Mesh.... hard to choose

[gamingjac]

CHS was last updated in 2012. Ignore what it says in the mod description, as that gets updated no matter what 'change' occurs. Tiny edit to the mod description? 'Updated'. Someone uploads an image? 'Updated'.

What you should pay attention to is the file upload dates, and only those, as far as when a mod was last updated.

 

I have absolutely no idea what 'V3T exp' is.

you're right....after downloading the latest version for both I felt chsbhc looked better so I didn't bother in depth checking. my bad.

V3T is a mod that expands chs to more armors, mostly "adult only" so far as I can tell. Also, apologies for calling you Boops, Jeir, I'm new to this forum (well I'm new to this entire site really) and I'm still figuring it out.

Speaking of large breasts.... have you tried XL Bust? I removed it IMMEDIATELY. definitely not my pace but I know people who'd love it lol, good craftmanship tho :)

Edited January 21, 2017 by gamingjac

[Jeir]

I'm not into women, and hate large breasts, so definitely not.

 

Also, you can't use two body mods at the same time. Whatever you installed last is what you get because they change the same files.

[gamingjac]

 

Edited January 21, 2017 by gamingjac

[gamingjac]

I'm not into women, and hate large breasts, so definitely not.

 

Also, you can't use two body mods at the same time. Whatever you installed last is what you get because they change the same files.

true true.... >I use either depending on the armor/clothing I want to equip :)

I wasn't assuming that you were into women, don't get me wrong... just that you play around with mods.

Btw, lots of little advice for a newbie like yours truly, appreciated!

[gamingjac]

 

I'm not into women, and hate large breasts, so definitely not.

 

Also, you can't use two body mods at the same time. Whatever you installed last is what you get because they change the same files.

true true.... >I use either depending on the armor/clothing I want to equip :smile:

I wasn't assuming that you were into women, don't get me wrong... just that you play around with mods.

Btw, lots of little advice for a newbie like yours truly, appreciated!

 

I just figured something out... CHS, CBBE, etc.. are mods for texture and such, UNP changes the vanilla armor and clothing. I can use both at the same time .... I'm gaining XPs in real life lol

[Jeir]

No. None of them, bar the few outfits in the CHS files, come with outfits. They all replace the same thing - the female body mesh and textures. Outfits are separate. You can not use them at the same time.

CHS = body mod based on v1 of CBBE (it even uses the really old low-detail textures). Contains additional skeleton and spring-like body physics known as BBP. Only has a few outfits. Not compatible with anything CBBE/UNP related.

CBBE = body mod. HDT, which is apparently miles better than BBP, is separate, and requires BodySlide to function. Outfits are separate, but linked on the page (along with textures). Not compatible with anything CHS/UNP related.

UNP = body mod. Body physics/outfits are separate. Not compatible with anything CBBE/CHS related.

 

Also, I don't really 'play around' with body mods. CBBE is the only one I know of that is any way realistic as far as I'm concerned. The rest are just...freakish, either in size or shape.

[KinnaC]

'Nother noob here. I'm also trying to gain some xp in RL, see my post

After reading your discussion here i think i ll have to go with CBBE for a body mod. But i'm still puzzled about a couple of things

 

- does installing CBBE / BodySlide and choosing a certain shape alter the toon and all NPC's into that same shape?

- if so, is there anything to do about it? E.g would a mod like EveryBody's Different Redone (EBD) result in variety of bodyshapes?

- any reviews/experience with EBD, i mean, it's java based ....

[Jeir]

'Nother noob here. I'm also trying to gain some xp in RL, see my post

After reading your discussion here i think i ll have to go with CBBE for a body mod. But i'm still puzzled about a couple of things

 

- does installing CBBE / BodySlide and choosing a certain shape alter the toon and all NPC's into that same shape?

- if so, is there anything to do about it? E.g would a mod like EveryBody's Different Redone (EBD) result in variety of bodyshapes?

- any reviews/experience with EBD, i mean, it's java based ....

1. Very first line in the CBBE description answers this. Too lazy; didn't read version: Yes.

2. Only for the nude body. Once you put an outfit on a character, that character's body shape will be whatever shape/body that outfit was made for. You could fake different clothed body shapes by using BodySlide and giving each vanilla outfit a different preset, but that would mean your own character would be limited to modded outfits unless you're fine with them changing body shape with each new one.

3. Nope, due to a) the above, and b) I don't see the need to have anything but my preset in the game.

[gamingjac]

 

'Nother noob here. I'm also trying to gain some xp in RL, see my post

After reading your discussion here i think i ll have to go with CBBE for a body mod. But i'm still puzzled about a couple of things

 

- does installing CBBE / BodySlide and choosing a certain shape alter the toon and all NPC's into that same shape?

- if so, is there anything to do about it? E.g would a mod like EveryBody's Different Redone (EBD) result in variety of bodyshapes?

- any reviews/experience with EBD, i mean, it's java based ....

1. Very first line in the CBBE description answers this. Too lazy; didn't read version: Yes.

2. Only for the nude body. Once you put an outfit on a character, that character's body shape will be whatever shape/body that outfit was made for. You could fake different clothed body shapes by using BodySlide and giving each vanilla outfit a different preset, but that would mean your own character would be limited to modded outfits unless you're fine with them changing body shape with each new one.

3. Nope, due to a) the above, and b) I don't see the need to have anything but my preset in the game.

 

I'm assuming Jeir has more experience than I do..... and I don't mean to be polemic or presumptuous by any means here, just let me expand a little...

What we're talking about here is a class of mods that go under the "name" of replacers. They are intended to replace the so called "vanilla" (skyrim default) skeleton, body, textures, clothing, armor and such. They come in all sorts of variety to accommodate many different tastes, so visually speaking there isn't one that is better than another, just whichever is most to one's own liking -am I good at being humble or what?-

 

next,

UNP comes with a full package of possible installs comprehensive of Texture, Armor, Clothing, ecc ecc... ant it applies "worldwide" changes to skyrim's characters and items;

CHSBHC is based on CBBE, but it's a tangent, meaning it took its own direction. It does not require CBBE to function and it looks different;

CBBE doesn't really require BodySlide, I had it to work just fine without. I tried it with, and it made little difference;

BodySlide is a tool that allows the user to further modify the replacement(s) provided with CBBE;

XP32 Maximum Skeleton is a skeleton. Counterintuitively, skeletons are best mounted after a body replacer to fix the "adhesion" of both body and texture to the looks of the PC/NPC; (it is my opinion that this should appear after every other significant replacer -CBBE / CHSBHC / HDT / ...- in the load order so that the mod organizer will mount it last, which should make things smoother)

HDT is a different story, it's more about physics.... this means that it takes care of how motion, collision, and things like that "behave" from a visual point -I use ASL Body TBBP HDT; HDT Physics Extensions; HDT Loremonger Physics-

 

One thing to be noted; it isn't entirely true that replacers are mutually exclusive... for instance I use HDT, CHSBHC and UNP, and they're all active at all times. Simply put, they take care of different aspects and go with different "sub"-mods. Be careful though, as using replacers from different types can sometimes lead to conflicts significant enough to crash your game or make it unplayable, or even lead to funky effects such as body parts/textures that stretch to infinity or become "pointy"..... SO play around if you will and find the "mix" that most efficiently suits your tastes in flare?

[Jeir]

Co-author of CBBE for 5 years, so...yup, lots more experience. I know what I'm talking about. Please stop ignoring me what I'm telling you that you're incorrect. =/

 

And now for some corrections:

- UNP, as in this mod, is body only. It does not come with any outfits at all. Neither does CBBE. You need to download separate mods for those.

- CHSBHC was based on CBBE. As in, CBBE as it was 5 years ago. Do not use it. It is not compatible with anything.

- BodySlide is optional, but recommended, with CBBE. If you're not getting any changes, then you're doing it wrong. It is also required to generate HDT-compatible meshes.

- XPMS is outdated. You should be using XPMSE. It also has absolutely nothing to do with textures. A skeleton, i.e. what XPMSE is, is what is animated so the mesh (the 3D object you see in-game) can move. XPMSE is required for HDT and similar physics-based animations. It does not conflict with body mods, because it just replaces the skeleton, while body mods replace meshes and textures.

- HDT is physics. From body to clothing. It is the only one people should be using. Do not use BBP as it's outdated, unsupported, and rather bad when it comes to animations. TBBP is also outdated, but can apparently be used with HDT animations.

 

 

One thing to be noted; it isn't entirely true that replacers are mutually exclusive... for instance I use HDT, CHSBHC and UNP, and they're all active at all times. Simply put, they take care of different aspects and go with different "sub"-mods. Be careful though, as using replacers from different types can sometimes lead to conflicts significant enough to crash your game or make it unplayable, or even lead to funky effects such as body parts/textures that stretch to infinity or become "pointy"..... SO play around if you will and find the "mix" that most efficiently suits your tastes in flare?

 

 

Again, no.

- HDT requires XPMSE. If you try to use it with XPMS, things will break (game slows down, then crashes).

- CHS contains body meshes, textures, an old pre-XPMS skeleton and BBP animations.

- UNP contains body meshes and textures.

- You are apparently using the (I presume) ALSL preset, which is a CBBE BodySlide preset. Which means you are not using CHS nor UNP.

- You can not use these all at the same time. The last thing installed has overwritten the same type of file that was installed previously. If you installed UNP over CHS, then you've replaced CHS's meshes/textures with UNP ones. If you've generated the ALSL BodySlide preset over the the UNP meshes/textures, you have overwritten them as well.

- You keep saying you have UNP-based vanilla outfit replacers, despite the fact that UNP doesn't come with any, so I have no idea what you're apparently using. In any case, UNP outfits are not compatible with any non-UNP body mods. The UV (how textures line up on the mesh) doesn't match. That shape is completely different.

 

Get rid of CHS. Choose between UNP or CBBE/ALSL. Only use outfits for that body mod. Only use HDT and XPMSE.