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Okay, so souls are just absorbed and trapped within Dovakiin. The dragons still never die. This only last as long as Dovakiin is mortal. So when the dragonborn dies and his/her soul leaves, all the dragons' souls are released. But they can't return on their own without Alduin finding their souls and bringing them back. Is that about right? So, really, dragons can't die for real. They can only be trapped temporarily and somehow get lost or banished by Dovakiin. Or, am I still missing something?

 

Dragon's cannot die for real yes, they can however be "banished" for a long time.

 

It takes Alduin to bring them back.

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Your 'riddle me this' question is answered in the main campaign.

 

The dragons are coming back because Alduin came back. Alduin had been blasted through time by an Elder Scroll at the end of the Dragon War, which is why there's a prophecy of his return; he was never dead. Alduin uses a soul snare in Sovngarde to consume souls, and with the power this gives him he can bring dragons back from the dead. He's flying around ressurecting dragons with a unique power only he posesses. Those dragons were as dead as anything else when they were buried, only Alduin could bring them back like that. And the Dragonborn is the only one who can kill them and prevent him raising them again, because the Dragonborn tears out their soul and eats it like a terrifying living soul gem. This is most certainly a fate worse than death since everyone in Elder Scrolls knows there's an afterlife, so being truly destroyed like this, while convenient to the mortals who want a dragon to be gone forever when Alduin is flying about the place, is probably why the last words of Mirmulnir are, "DOVAHKIIN! NO!"

 

For someone so quick to deride and sweep aside people who bother working out the lore based on....the books that are filled with the lore....it's an incredible facepalm moment that you asked those questions. Especially after you asked what the difference between Dragonborn and Dovahkiin is. There is a difference....the spelling. Dovahkiin is Dragonborn in the dragon language. There is absolutely no difference between the Dragonborn lineage of the Emperors and the Skyrim protagonist in terms of what being a dragonborn actually does for them. The only difference is that the return of Alduin means the Skyrim protagonist has dragons to slaughter and consume, which the dragonborn lineage of the Emperors did not. In the conversation after killing Mirmulnir, one guard even flat out calls another one an idiot for saying that the Emperors never killed any dragons, because there weren't any for them to kill and do all the Dragonborn things that come with that.

 

Riddle me this...how many dragons have come back to life until Alduin came back? That was rhetorical, the answer is none. Why on Earth would a dragonborn be running around to personally kill every single dragon when the Blades are killing them cheerfully enough? Endless piles of dragons have been killed by mortals, seemingly far more than Dragonborn ever got. The whole Dragon War goes by without any Dragonborn being mentioned at all, until it culminated in those Dragonborn-less mortals resorting to an Elder Scroll to deal with Alduin. Why, exactly, is it to be assumed that all the dragons Alduin is raising were killed by a Dragonborn and thus we should make up random nonsense about the souls being 'released' or whatever when a Dragonborn dies? We shouldn't. It's creating a question and problem that don't exist.

 

First off, I'm a book junky in Skyrim. My problem wasn't with scholars. My problem is with those who read any particular book as if it were a bible and then preach. I like discussing text.

 

So you're saying that none of the buried dragons that are being resurrected were killed by the dragonborn. You believe dragons killed by any dragonborn are utterly destroyed, soul and all. Other slayed dragons are dead until Alduin brings back their souls. Alduin can't bring back ones killed by the dragonborn. Is that correct?

 

You don't see any relation between dragon proper names for each other and the way they call the dragonborn "Dovakiin"? You don't think there's any special importance to your dragonborn being the one who is actually destined to defeat Alduin?

 

That's all fine with me. Just don't preach it.

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So is every living creature in Skyrim immortal if it has a soul? It can only be killed in one sense but not the other, except for dragons maybe who can be destroyed by the dragonborn? But there's no nordborn who destroys the souls of Nords, right? Wouldn't that make dragons more mortal than mortals? Else, maybe the dragonborn only absorbs and banishes dragon souls. Still, what makes Alduin any more immortal than any Nord with an immortal soul?

 

Sorry, been drinking the mead tonight.

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So is every living creature in Skyrim immortal if it has a soul? It can only be killed in one sense but not the other, except for dragons maybe who can be destroyed by the dragonborn? But there's no nordborn who destroys the souls of Nords, right? Wouldn't that make dragons more mortal than mortals? Else, maybe the dragonborn only absorbs and banishes dragon souls. Still, what makes Alduin any more immortal than any Nord with an immortal soul?

 

Sorry, been drinking the mead tonight.

 

Two thoughts: first it says, the dragonborn "aborbs" souls, not he destroys them. Its as far as I know left unclear what happens when the dragonborn dies. Have they become one soul? (and the dragon as seperate entity is gone), or are the dragon soals free again when the dragonborn breathed is last breath?

 

Secondly, in TES-soul mechanics a soul can be destroyed as well, just not as easiyl, for example Alduin who devours them.

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So is every living creature in Skyrim immortal if it has a soul? It can only be killed in one sense but not the other, except for dragons maybe who can be destroyed by the dragonborn? But there's no nordborn who destroys the souls of Nords, right? Wouldn't that make dragons more mortal than mortals? Else, maybe the dragonborn only absorbs and banishes dragon souls. Still, what makes Alduin any more immortal than any Nord with an immortal soul?

 

Sorry, been drinking the mead tonight.

 

Two thoughts: first it says, the dragonborn "aborbs" souls, not he destroys them. Its as far as I know left unclear what happens when the dragonborn dies. Have they become one soul? (and the dragon as seperate entity is gone), or are the dragon soals free again when the dragonborn breathed is last breath?

 

Secondly, in TES-soul mechanics a soul can be destroyed as well, just not as easiyl, for example Alduin who devours them.

 

lol, on the first point, I was kind of responding to a preacher here in the thread, or at least keeping his beliefs in mind, but then also adding the option of merely absorbing souls, then perhaps banishing. Nonetheless, I'm still not sure how to best interpret all of this. Like, what's the difference between Alduin "devouring" a soul and Dovakiin "absorbing" a soul. I mean, they might be entirely different, like one is destroying and the other is just joining and later letting go. Or, they might be exactly the same but described differently depending on whose side you're on. We've seen Alduin release souls, so maybe?

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