Follower Essential flags and random CTDs

[Dys9000]

~~Load Order Screenshots are supplied in the Spoiler Tags at the end of the post~~

 

Problem 1: Essential Followers

As the topic title implies, I'm having two main issues here. Surprisingly enough, the main issue that is annoying me the most is with my followers. I have done everything feasibly imaginable to set these followers to NOT be essential (I want them to be able to die). I've even made my own mod to alter character sheets, quest aliases, the follower dialogue alias, and pretty much everything else that I could think of that would be relevant.

This really is extremely important since I've been streaming a "Hardcore Legendary Skyrim" series that involves massively increasing difficulty and the sort, and followers are pretty much required if you want to survive, but to balance that out, they need to be able to die.

 

I've had only moderate success with my mod that makes them non-essential. SOME, and only some, seem to be non-essential (seemingly the followers that are added via the "Lots More Followers" mod appear to mostly all be non-essential, or at least show the most consistency when compared with Skyrim's normal followers and the followers added via the "Interesting NPCs" mod).

 

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Problem 2: Random CTDs.

They aren't overly common, and I do not believe they are caused by memory block overloads (I know some are, but I generally know when those are going to happen, so that's not the issue). These seem to occur at complete random with absolutely no warning. They can happen in both interior and exterior cells, and frankly, seem to have no consistency whatsoever. Again, they aren't overly common, but I tend to get them at least once per each time I stream this.

 

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Side Issue: I've been using Barndog's Magic mod (it makes destruction magic power grow as you progress the skill tree so that lower magic spells are completely useless in 3hrs), and it seems to sometimes work and sometimes not. I think it has something to do with my survival mods as being cold, hungry, etc can lower stats, but then once cured, it doesn't seem to reset the magic power (this is speculation, but it seems like the only thing that could be affecting it).
Again, this is only a side issue, but if some kind and knowledgeable person has any ideas for solutions, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

Thank you to anyone who bothered to read all of this or even make a reply. I really appreciate any help/ideas here.

~~Mod Load Order Below (Yes, I know there are a lot there)~~

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Falskaar.esm

7 7 RaceCompatibility.esm

8 8 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm

9 9 Nock2Tip.esm

10 a SkyMoMod.esm

11 b Campfire.esm

12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

13 d moonpath.esm

14 e MagicDuelReborn.esm

15 f Extra Encounters Reborn - Basic.esm

16 10 WM Flora Fixes.esp

17 11 HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp

18 12 Cutting Room Floor.esp

19 13 SkyUI.esp

20 14 FNIS.esp

21 15 FISS.esp

22 16 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

23 17 ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp

24 18 CharacterMakingExtender.esp

25 19 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

26 1a Run For Your Lives.esp

27 1b When Vampires Attack.esp

28 1c Frostfall.esp

29 1d WetandCold.esp

30 1e WetandCold - Ashes.esp

31 1f RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

32 20 RND_AnimalLoot.esp

33 21 LIAT - NPCs.esp

34 22 LIAT - Sounds.esp

35 23 JNL - Lots More Followers.esp

36 24 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

37 25 Inigo.esp

38 26 3DNPC.esp

39 27 Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp

40 28 BloodmoonRising.esp

41 29 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

42 2a Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

43 2b Immersive Patrols II.esp

44 2c Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp

45 2d Extra Encounters Reborn - CSP.esp

46 2e Extra Encounters Reborn - Dawnguard.esp

47 2f OBIS.esp

48 30 OBISDB.esp

49 31 Bandit Patrols_MM+SIC.esp

Bandit Patrols.esp

Bandit PatrolsMONSTERMODONLYVERSION.esp

Bandit PatrolsSICONLYVERSION.esp

50 32 NonEssentialFollowers.esp

51 33 NeFiNPCPatch.esp

52 34 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

53 35 AFT_iNPCFix.esp

54 36 AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp

55 37 JKs Skyrim.esp

56 38 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp

57 39 ForgottenSettlementsMerged.esp

58 3a Helgen Reborn.esp

59 3b CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

60 3c QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp

61 3d BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

62 3e HHoS Ancient Shrine DI.esp

63 3f hold guard.esp

64 40 BlackthornManor.esp

65 41 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - Deep Immersion.esp

66 42 HHoS Subterranean Hot Spring DI.esp

67 43 Birdsofskyrim.esp

68 44 ShenkThieveryOverhaul.esp

69 45 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

70 46 Hunting in Skyrim.esp

71 47 moonpath_questdata.esp

72 48 Hunterborn.esp

73 49 Tundra Defense.esp

74 4a Immersive Music.esp

75 4b Immersive Music Temples.esp

76 4c Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp

77 4d Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp

78 4e SoS - Civilization.esp

79 4f SoS - The Wilds.esp

80 50 SoS - The Dungeons.esp

81 51 customSigils.esp

82 52 customSigilsCloak.esp

83 53 TradeBarter.esp

84 54 GuildStarter.esp

85 55 Equipping Overhaul.esp

86 56 WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp

87 57 WaterFromWellsDragonbornRND.esp

88 58 Killable Children.esp

89 59 Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp

90 5a sandboxcylinderheight.esp

91 5b AK- Placeable Statics.esp

92 5c Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

93 5d ChaosDragons.esp

94 5e dragons attack to the cities.esp

95 5f most dragons!.esp

96 60 DragonSwarms - Insane Mode.esp

97 61 DeadlyDragons.esp

98 62 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

99 63 Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp

100 64 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

101 65 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

102 66 Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp

103 67 Disparity.esp

104 68 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

105 69 Field Alchemy.esp

106 6a 1nivWICCloaks.esp

107 6b Cloaks.esp

108 6c Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

109 6d Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

110 6e Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

111 6f Immersive Weapons.esp

112 70 WeaponsOf3E.esp

113 71 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

114 72 WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp

115 73 WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp

116 74 Dr_Bandolier.esp

117 75 Baphomet.esp

118 76 throwingweapons.esp

119 77 Nock2Tip.esp

120 78 LootandDegradation.esp

121 79 Eli's Coffee Mod.esp

122 7a Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

123 7b lanterns.esp

124 7c BuryTheDead.esp

125 7d Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

126 7e Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

127 7f SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp

128 80 Mighty Magick Skyrim - Main.esp

129 81 Mighty Magick Skyrim - Enchantments Rebalance.esp

130 82 Mighty Magick Skyrim - Artifacts.esp

131 83 Mighty Magick Skyrim - Dragonborn.esp

132 84 Mighty Magick Skyrim - Dragonborn Artifacts.esp

133 85 HTCastingRegen.esp

134 86 SpellChargingFramework.esp

135 87 DM&SG.esp

136 88 Elemental Destruction.esp

137 89 SpellResearch.esp

138 8a KhalSpellmakingMod.esp

139 8b wardingshieldsdivinehealing.esp

140 8c Druidessentials.esp

141 8d Wrath Of Nature.esp

142 8e Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

143 8f spellpack1.esp

144 90 spellpack2.esp

145 91 spellpack3.esp

146 92 spellpack4.esp

147 93 bds magic.esp

148 94 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

149 95 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

150 96 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

151 97 BentPines_for_SFO2.0.esp

152 98 SFO on Steroids.esp

153 99 Unique Grasses.esp

154 9a Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp

155 9b UGCustum.esp

156 9c SMIM-Merged-All.esp

157 9d FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

158 9e 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp

159 9f MeekoReborn.esp

160 a0 Smoking Torches.esp

161 a1 Smoking Candles.esp

162 a2 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

163 a3 WondersofWeather.esp

164 a4 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp

165 a5 mintylightningmod.esp

166 a6 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

167 a7 aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

168 a8 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

169 a9 Differently Ebony.esp

170 aa EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

171 ab ELFX - Exteriors.esp

172 ac RealisticRoomRental.esp

173 ad kuerteeSkillBasedDamageMultipliers.esp

174 ae Thunderchild - Magic Duel Reborn Compatibility Patch.esp

175 af WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

176 b0 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

177 b1 OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp

178 b2 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

179 b3 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

180 b4 FalskaarRNDPatch.esp

181 b5 MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp

182 b6 Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp

183 b7 Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp

184 b8 Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp

185 b9 CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures+DLC2_Patch.esp

CACO_ETaC_Patch.esp

186 ba CACO_RND_Patch.esp

187 bb TES ARENA AIO-Clutting-patch.esp

188 bc Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp

189 bd RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp

190 be ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

191 bf SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

192 c0 ELFX - Weathers.esp

193 c1 ELFXEnhancer.esp

194 c2 ELFX - Moonpath.esp

195 c3 RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp

196 c4 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

197 c5 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

198 c6 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

199 c7 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

200 c8 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp

201 c9 RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

202 ca RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

203 cb RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

204 cc ContinueGameNoCrash.esp

205 cd Bashed Patch, 0.esp

SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp

SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSoundsWinterEdition.esp

SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTWinterEdition.esp

 

 

 

Sorry that the actual images are on the external link, but it wouldn't allow me to embed them on the post, sadly.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Dys9000

[Dys9000]

I would also like to ask if maybe there is some hidden script that affects certain characters to make them essential that isn't a part of the quest/follower aliases as there are some characters with absolutely nothing that would seemingly make them essential when looking at them in TESVEdit, yet somehow they are still essential.

[Dys9000]

I've edited the main post to show the changes I made to the load order. I also replaced the images with a text list to make it easier to read.

[Kroekr]

Just to get it out of the way, have you set all followers as killable in AFT?

[Dys9000]

Just to get it out of the way, have you set all followers as killable in AFT?

Every single time I get a follower, I always set it to non-essential.