CTD - Need to Find Which Mods are Conflicting

[Thoroarin]

Recently bought Skyrim, the original, and its DLCs since I'd somehow never got around to picking it up. I'd played FO4 and modded the s*** out of that, with no real problems at all, so I went into Skyrim with the same approach I'd taken to FO4. I got quite a few, and everything worked fine. I got SKSE, since literally everything needs it. On occasion I got some CTDs, but they weren't frequent or consistent enough to be of any real bother, and apart from them performance was fine. I then more recently installed a bunch of mods together, which don't seem to obviously conflict one another, and CTDs became much more frequent. Travelling the overworld, the game could just crash, and it often also happened on loading into or out of cities or houses etc. The problem simply got worse and worse, where it used to be a matter of chance whether the game would CTD it just began to just crash when I tried to load into my save, which is in Solitude, near the blacksmith. I would get a brief glimpse of the loaded game before it crashed. It's worth pointing out that I didn't install any more mods in this time.

 

It's also worth knowing, I'm pretty s*** with computers beyond the basics. I got SKSE fine, with the help of a video tutorial. But when I came to researching my CTDs and ways to perhaps find or fix mod conflicts I found a load of different methods and convoluted techniques involving installing X, Y and Z software and tinkering with files which all just went over my head. I did attempt to add the SKSE.ini memory patch, since I figured the game memory could be maxing out during loading, but this didn't have any effect. After getting the Memory Blocks Log mod I realised my game never came close to the patched or even really the unpatched memory amount.

 

So, the only thing I can think is that some of the mods are conflicting. But I'm not sure which. I could simply dredge through my mod list on the NMM and deactivate mods to figure out which is the problem, but I have 50-60 mods, none of which seem obviously to be an issue, so that would be a real ball ache and only provide a temporary solution - since it wouldn't allow me to fix any future conflicts if I were to get more mods. I'm aware that there are certain things that I could get, such as TES5edit, but being pretty inept and unconfident with a seemingly complex solution, I figured I would appeal here to see if anyone knows which of my mods may be clashing, and hence which to disable, or to see if someone can point me towards the best way to resolve mod conflicts as and when they appear. If indeed TES5edit is the way to go, or another such thing, I'd also appreciate some good advice or guidance as to how to go about it.

 

I do not have LOOT. It seemed rather complex to get, and when installing Dual Sheath Redux I was advised not to use LOOT to change the load order of the prerequisite mods.

I'll attatch my NMM mod list and my load order as screenshots.

 

Side note: I disabled any textures above 2k to see if this would help with the problem, back when I still suspected it to be a problem with memory rather than mod conflicts. Had no effect, obviously.

[Thoroarin]

Couldn't fit both screenshots in one attachment. Here is the Mod List.

 

Edit: I should also clarify, the group of mods which I installed after which the CTDs became a serious issue are:
The Bijin Warmaidens mods and fix.
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul
Vivace and Toccata Follower mods
Elianora's housing mods (Skaal You Need; Khune; The Rookery)

Jaxonz Positioner
In Memory of Hugh
Rustic Clothing

Edited February 8, 2017 by Thoroarin

[Kroekr]

Nothing jumped out at me as being a cause but you should replace XPMS with it's upgrade, XPMSE by Groovtana

[Thoroarin]

Okay, thanks, I'll take a look. Are there any other mods I need before that? I remember XPMS was pretty awkward to sort out.

[Algabar]

XPMSE needs "realistic ragdoll force" (which you already have) and FNIS (which you also have installed). Racemenu is optional, but if you use it, you should install the latest version. Put XPMSE as low as possible in your load order, don't let it be overwritten by anything. Don't forget to run FNIS after installing XPMSE. That's about it.

 

Looking at your load order, I don't see anything obvious either. I noticed that you haven't got USLEEP though: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/? Try if it helps.

 

You may also want to try "crash fixes": http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/?

 

Another thing (probably also not the cause of your crashes, but anyway): With newer versions of Racemenu, you don't need the "PrecacheKiller". It's already incorporated in Racemenu and should be uninstalled.

 

EDIT: You may try "immersive Amazing Follower Tweaks" instead of the classic AFT: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71689/? I used AFT before and noticed, that iAFT seems to be more stable. If you want, you can have all the options you have in AFT with iAFT too - plus a lot of features, AFT doesn't have. DON'T change follower managers during a playthrough though. You will very likely screw up your savegame - or get at least a lot of trouble sorting out your followers again...

Edited February 8, 2017 by Algabar

[Thoroarin]

Okay, thanks for the advice. With Dual Sheath Redux, will I still want that above XPMSE, or would that not make a difference anyway?

 

And in terms of USLEEP, which I'm also installing, I'm going to assume that won't conflict with 'crash fixes'?

 

Also, with iAFT, would I be able to safely change to that if I were to dismiss all followers beforehand and then pick them back up after making the change, or will it still cause issues?

 

Thanks for the help by the way, I think I've got XPMSE and I'm currently getting USLEEP.

[Thoroarin]

After installing USLEEP and XPMSE my game still CTDs on either loading up the game or loading a new area. I didn't expect XPMSE to fix any problems, but I'd hoped USLEEP may have done something.

 

I'm almost certain that there is a mod conflict going on, does anyone know of any fairly easy to use mods or software to be able to check and/or resolve mod conflicts?

[Algabar]

The usual way of detecting is using TES5Edit and applying "filters for conflict loosers". There are several tutorials on this out there - both written guides and videos. Look at whatever seems helpful for you. Problem is: This is not an "easy" thing. TES5Edit will find conflicts in almost every load order. Determining what is harmless (or even intended) and what might be an issue is the hard part. You might easily find yourself chasing shadows while going through all the conflicts, that TES5Edit will list. I'm not sure a mod conflict is the cause of your CTDs at all. As Kroekr already pointed out, there isn't anything obviously incompatible in your load order.

 

In fact, crashes can be caused by a lot of different things. This guide on reddit can give you an idea about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/troubleshooting_guide

 

As you mentioned CTDs in situations, where the game has to load something, it might as well be a memory issue. Your load order is rather short, so I wouldn't expect the common CTD due to simple "memory overload", but you never know. Try "continue game no crash": http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78557/? If it's a memory issue, it should help.

 

Maybe playing around a bit with the settings in your SKSE.ini might also help. You should have something like this in your SKSE.ini:

 

[General]
ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 <-- make sure this value is set to "1"

[Memory]
defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768 <--- You can try raising this value in steps of 128 and see, if it makes a difference.
scrapHeapSizeMB=256 <-- Don't touch this. ;-)

 

As for uninstalling AFT and replacing it with iAFT midgame: As I said before, I wouldn't recommend it. You can try something like this: Dismiss all followers, fasttravel a bit, save in a location far away from any follower. Disable AFT. Load the game again, save again. Maybe use a savegame cleaner now. Install iAFT and try, if it works. But I just wouldn't do it. Disabling mods during a playthrough is just something you should never, ever do...