All Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 i believe in jesus and i think its more believable than any thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Which isn't saying very much... none of those religions are believable if you actually look at the facts. The only way you can believe in Jesus is by blind faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldowan Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I dont understand.How is the story of jesus any more believable than any other religion that has come to pass? Every religion is based on one thing alone, and that is the willingness to believe in something because you wish to.Believing in jesus is no different than Quetzacoatl. But, thats just my two cents. ***edit*** Sorry Peregrine, your post did not show up untill after I had finished mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I would say none, simply because religion should never be taken literally (or, word for word, as in The Red Sea parting, which could have in reality just been a tidal anomaly, and when it drowned Pharoh's army that could have been another anomaly or they were just too late to cross and got got in high tide when they were in the middle of crossing.) I personally think that the story of Jesus is not very beliveable, and I tend to recieve a lot of flak from that since most of my friends believe in God (or are Christian). Also, I get told that I'm going to go to Hell for not believing and that I need to fall on my knees and the whole nine yards...I find it ironic how some people take it upon themselves to judge me wherein their own religion states 'Thou shalt not judge' for only God can judge you (or something like that, I'm obviously not big on religion). It's the hypocrisy of it all that turns me away and makes me think of religion as outdated and non-essential to my life. I am certainly no different than I was when I did go to church, I didn't 'feel' God, like so many people have said they have. I don't feel enlightened or blessed. I used to be pretty big on religion,but I soon had some very nagging questions that wouldn't leave me alone. I came to realize that if indeed there was a God and that he does care for us and hates to see his Children suffer so, then WHY is there so much suffering? Why would he create us in His image and give us intelligence and opposable thumbs and then state that when we use our faculties to prolong our lives or cure sicknessess or grow limbs to replace dead and mangeld ones, that that is playing God and is punishable? Yet we are using what he gave us, so it is hypocritical to give something intelligence to do marvelous things, and then say 'you cannot do that, for that is a sin'. Better to rid us the temptation and not give us intelligence at all, God must not have had foresight. And then again, there is the suffering people of the World... A friend told me this is so, 'because they don't believe in Jesus, and because they worship the wrong God...besides why would God ever want to talk to a man named Mohaamed? I think that's a stupid name...' at that point I shut them out and stopped listening, but it wasn't just this friend who had this view. It was the whole damned Church and majority of America that has this view. That's why I think that none are believable, because they are a Human fabrication to explain things we didn't have explanations for. Now that we do have explanations for things, we should no longer need Religion, and yet it still lingers on like an old animal, smelling up the place and not doing any of us a whole lot of good. My two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 True i guess i was just trained a s a christian oh man though my civics teacher last year brought in the krahn the arab thing and he read chapter nine vs eleven or something man it was freaky it talked about the eagle being awakened and a great war and then peace in the holy land that freaks me out but then u get into can we humans handle no controlling power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohGr Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 well, ive grown up as an atheist, and ive done study on several religions, (islam, buddhism, christianity and some indoneasian ones), now...ive found all of the ideas hard to believe, i cannot accept a man making a world, i cannot accept a supernatural being creating life and this universe, and i definantley cannot accept the responsibility of believing such a thing, in my own opinion, i find it all a joke, people constantly praying and asking questions that never get answered, its all in your head, not in the sky, if someone comes praying to their god because someone doesnt like them, or they got beaten, those prayers will not get answered, its a matter of chance, there is no such thing as a miracle, its all luck. and thats my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesaynothin Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 My question to any religion that has to do with a god system: If your god/s (Alah, Greek Gods, Christian god) created everything, what created your god/s?---------------------------I am an athiest at heart, but to me the most believable religion is Buddhism. The idea of Buddhism is basically, try to reach Nirvana. That could be any state of mind that one feels happy in.------------------------------------- Oh yeah, and if the Judeau, Islamic, Christian god is all the same, why does the Khoran freak you out when the Bible does not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I have an answer to that, though I be Atheist. Perhaps it doesn't know, and in order to understand how it came into being it created life to see if in time other 'Gods' would evolve from that life. Perhaps when a 'God' is born, another Universe is created. Who knows, and, more importantly, who cares? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxar Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 The thing that keeps God in my life is the question that nobody seems to be able to answer. It is generally agreed nowadays in the scientific community that the universe was started by the so-called 'big bang'. My question is, where did that big ball of energy come from? It just appeared? Or maybe some divine being put it there, a being from a world where the normal laws of physics don't apply. May be slightly off topic, but I wanted to put that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I would say none, simply because religion should never be taken literally (or, word for word, as in The Red Sea parting, which could have in reality just been a tidal anomaly, and when it drowned Pharoh's army that could have been another anomaly or they were just too late to cross and got got in high tide when they were in the middle of crossing.) I personally think that the story of Jesus is not very beliveable, and I tend to recieve a lot of flak from that since most of my friends believe in God (or are Christian). Also, I get told that I'm going to go to Hell for not believing and that I need to fall on my knees and the whole nine yards...I find it ironic how some people take it upon themselves to judge me wherein their own religion states 'Thou shalt not judge' for only God can judge you (or something like that, I'm obviously not big on religion). It's the hypocrisy of it all that turns me away and makes me think of religion as outdated and non-essential to my life. I am certainly no different than I was when I did go to church, I didn't 'feel' God, like so many people have said they have. I don't feel enlightened or blessed. I used to be pretty big on religion,but I soon had some very nagging questions that wouldn't leave me alone. I came to realize that if indeed there was a God and that he does care for us and hates to see his Children suffer so, then WHY is there so much suffering? Why would he create us in His image and give us intelligence and opposable thumbs and then state that when we use our faculties to prolong our lives or cure sicknessess or grow limbs to replace dead and mangeld ones, that that is playing God and is punishable? Yet we are using what he gave us, so it is hypocritical to give something intelligence to do marvelous things, and then say 'you cannot do that, for that is a sin'. Better to rid us the temptation and not give us intelligence at all, God must not have had foresight. And then again, there is the suffering people of the World... A friend told me this is so, 'because they don't believe in Jesus, and because they worship the wrong God...besides why would God ever want to talk to a man named Mohaamed? I think that's a stupid name...' at that point I shut them out and stopped listening, but it wasn't just this friend who had this view. It was the whole damned Church and majority of America that has this view. That's why I think that none are believable, because they are a Human fabrication to explain things we didn't have explanations for. Now that we do have explanations for things, we should no longer need Religion, and yet it still lingers on like an old animal, smelling up the place and not doing any of us a whole lot of good. My two cents. Here is the two cents of a man named Hundinman, You mentioned that God made us in his image and that is true indeed (to me, because I am a Christian, I am not forcing my belief upon you) because he has the power of choice. I think that most can agree. Well, he gave us the power to choose and some have chosen the wrong path, the path that leads to destruction. Christians, however chose the right path, even though we do not adide by it directly since we are mortals of a sinful nature. We choose what seems to be the most pleasureful, if a woman asked you to make love with her, and you were not married your answer should be NO. Christians have made this wrong choice by doing it, and they are forgiven by God ifthey ask forgiveness. The reason that there is so much suffering is that God gave Satan a certin amount of power to try and tempt us to sin against God. In most cases he is victorious. If we choose to resist Satan then God rejoices and blesses us. That is where the pain and suffering comes in. Remeber, this is my belief and I am not forcing anything on anybody Hundinman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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