SSE CTD on Save After Hours of Gameplay

[Daecat]

Another person with the issue chiming in. Only mine not only started to happen on saves, it also happened on resting.

 

I read through at least half of the pages in this thread. Pretty interesting stuff in that so much effort went into helping people out. Thank you very much for your assistance, especially you, Squireoivanhoe.

 

The problem seems to have stopped for me, at least for now. Here are the bullet points of my experience:

 

100 Active mods and 133 Active plugins.

I played about 80 hours into the game fine.

Installed a bow mod (Archery Combat Overhaul). Was playing great for several more hours.

At 86 hours, traveled to Falkreath for the first time. Slept at an Inn (Deadman's Drink - a fitting name). Instant crash to desktop at the end of sleep hour counter.

Reloaded to try again. Same exact problem.

Reloaded. Quicksaved. CTD.

Reloaded. Manually saved. CTD.

Reloaded. Fast traveled to Skyrim home. Slept there. To the best of my memory, it worked, initially.

Saved. CTD.

Reloaded a previous save from before I discovered Falkreath. Same problem. CTD on save or rest.

 

Then began the research, which eventually led me here :smile:

 

Read through most of the thread, found the 2 possible fixes. Saw that I already had SSE Engine Fixes installed (but an earlier version that did not have the updated files with the SaveGameMaxSize option.

 

Updated the above mentioned. Activated the MaxSize. Crossed fingers. The problem remained.

 

At this point, I was going to start trying to learn about the first option, but it was going to have to happen the next day as it was getting late. But I did remember that removing mods was mentioned as a band-aid type of fix. So I began looking at mods I use that have scripts I could do without. Found one I was ok with parting with. Removed it from the load order. Loaded the game. And the problem did not happen anymore.

 

I am currently at 109 hours without an issue so far, so 23 hours since the change.

 

 

 

I don't know if any of the above would be useful for anyone, but I wanted to give my input and as a thankyou to everyone who contributed. Skyrim's such a great game, and it's a sad thing when so much gametime gets lost T_T

 

Take care o/

Edited February 27, 2020 by Daecat

[squireoivanhoe]

Thanks all. Again, sorry for AFK (I haven't had time to play Skyrim since the summer :sad:), but it really seems that between these two options we've got things figured out. Keep the info coming in!

[tenebris1]

I've been dealing with that crap for 2 days already and haven't found any solution. I'm thinking about just dropping skyrim at this point even tho I Don't Want To... There's still so much to do on this character, I can't abandon her.

Basically: CTD on any save, fast travel (since, well, autosave when travelling - same with waiting or sleeping). .NET framework gives me very similar logs, and "BGSSaveGameBuffer" line is almost always here. Examples of the logs: https://pastebin.com/6yNaZ2X6 / or it has "FreeRequestedModel" as the first line, like here: https://pastebin.com/ziCWkhqT (those started appearing recently).

Every time I crash on save there's a "TMP" file in my saves folder (I cleaned them all up already), instead of the usual ESS+SKSE.

I've tried basically everything in this thread - disabled mods, engine fixes already installed and memory patch enabled, empty REFR cleaned, and so on. But I know what might be the culprit, however, when I try to narrow it down, the problem persists or starts appearing after some time of the gameplay. I even turned off save compression, I thought it worked but crashes came back shortly.

 

I have a really massive modlist, built around Legacy of the Dragonborn - with almost every big quest mod around here for displays and stuff. I added some mid playthrough, I haven't done anything super drastic and game breaking... I guess.

 

Basically it started when I added a bunch of big quest mods so I can enable all the displays for Lotd V5. (I haven't had them at first because I did them in the past but I just wanted to keep my museum full lol.) But it might be any mod I installed on that day?...

My load order:

ESP/ESM only

Full load order (I have a lot of ESLs, which are mostly patches, small mods and outfits)

 

I spent like 7 hours yesterday trying to understand what the f is going on. I couldn't get red of the issue as I already said, however, when I disable some (or all) of those mods I can at least save. I was trying to narrow it down as I said, but the crashes were so random that I couldn't understand which one was causing it. I was enabling them one by one, trying to find the culprit, until all of them were on and I still was able to save. It happened several times during troubleshooting.

But after some time CTDs start appearing again. The last time it was an hour after peaceful gameplay.

I'm starting to think that it has something to do with the count of...? I don't even know, scripts? Big numbers? There's like 13 active scripts on my recent "cured" save (but I think it was loading something when I saved), so I don't even know, but others have like 4-7. But number of the script instances is pretty big, I'm not sure if that amount is normal.

My save file is around 18mb in size. I think I played around 100 hours? 150? Not sure.

I'm attaching my savefile in case there's someone who wants to look into it. I'm gonna add another when I crash again since I cleaned up my load order, removed some scripted mods and so on ( already cleaned the save).

 

I'm not sure if it has to do something with the issue but the last time I crashed when I was entering the Dragonborn gallery. And then the saves which were working before got cucked and I couldn't save (had to disable those quest again mods to cure my save file).

Anyway I don't know what to do anymore. This is way too confusing. Any help is appreciated.

 

EDIT: Alright, disabling bashed patch at least allows me to save. Recently downloaded quest mods being disabled and bashed patch enabled makes it crash. Why does it even happen and what bashed patch has to do with it....

Edited March 7, 2020 by tenebris1

[squireoivanhoe]

Hi tenebris 1. Sorry that you're experiencing this, it's a major pain.

 

I'm working three jobs right now and have a baby, so I don't have a lot of free time, but I have a few thoughts that might steer you in the right path based on others' experiences here.

 

First, removing ANY mod is almost always going to cause the temporary fixes that you have described (this has been discussed in the earlier parts of the thread). These fixes are are just band-aids and will always catch back up to you, for me it was typically around 4 hours into the game. My suspicion of the removal of the bash patch is that the engine reads this as one of those mod removals, and is going to be symptomatic again in a short time.

 

Second, it looks like you tried one of two confirmed fixes by making the max save file larger through engine fixes, but it might be that your mod list has so many scripts firing that the even the enlarged size can't even handle that many. In this case, It sounds like you definitely need to remove AND CLEAN your save using ReSaver (not just the REFR). Have you done that step? I didn't see it in your post.

 

Again, I'm not an expert, but between these two most are reporting success. If you could post step by step how you follow the first fix we can rule out that as an option for you.

 

It's a sad day in Skyrim when this happens :sad:

[Deliloy]

I had this happen to me on a very stable playthrough with a mild load order containing bashed/smashed patches, no mods uninstalled during mid game. No ctd for 70 hours only to happen for the first time on saving. Normal saving, autosave, quicksave all ended up with a ctd. No lagging, glitches prior to save hinting a script lag, and also fallrim detected no unattached instances/undefined elements. I always make new saves and had around 400 saves, deleted half of the old saves to make space if it had anything to do with that.

Secondly, I have audio overhaul and vortex had been giving me a SNCT save plugin dll error but I was ignoring it. I removed that dll as per instructions on that mod's page, and I was able to save again, been playing for a couple of hours and now can save normally. I don't know if it was related with those methods but skyrim is weird anything that seems irrelevant may end up being the cause so maybe it was due to that.

My mod list:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl
7 7 MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
8 8 Campfire.esm
9 9 Vigilant.esm
10 a RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
11 b Enhanced Vanilla Trees SSE.esp
12 c Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp
13 d SkyUI_SE.esp
14 e Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
15 f Mortal Enemies.esp
16 10 Obsidian Weathers.esp
17 11 Laundry.esp
18 12 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
254 FE 1 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
19 13 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
20 14 RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
21 15 iNeed.esp
22 16 iNeed - Extended.esp
23 17 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
24 18 Cutting Room Floor.esp
254 FE 2 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
254 FE 3 BetterQuestObjectives - LOTD Patch.esp
254 FE 4 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
25 19 OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
254 FE 5 OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
26 1a Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
254 FE 6 MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
27 1b Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
28 1c Better Dynamic Snow.esp
29 1d RE_RealEstate.esp
30 1e Point The Way.esp
254 FE 7 MajesticMountains.esp
254 FE 8 Man Those Borders!.esp
254 FE 9 OCW_LotD_FEPatch.esp
31 1f SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
32 20 Keep It Clean.esp
33 21 Immersive Encounters.esp
34 22 SkyrimSewers.esp
35 23 Cloaks.esp
36 24 scrollcrafting.esp
37 25 Inigo.esp
38 26 Immersive Patrols II.esp
254 FE a Immersive Patrols II Simplified.esp
39 27 EmbersHD.esp
40 28 Hunterborn.esp
254 FE b Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Hunterborn Patch.esp
254 FE c Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Obsidian Weathers Patch.esp
254 FE d Obsidian Weathers for Vigilant.esp
254 FE e DBM_RuinsClutterImproved_Patch.esp
254 FE f DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
41 29 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
254 FE 10 DBM_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.esp
42 2a 20 More Perk Points.esp
43 2b DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
44 2c Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
45 2d TavernGames.esp
46 2e IdlePlayWheelMenu.esp
47 2f UIExtensions.esp
48 30 AskTheWay.esp
49 31 SimplyKnock.esp
50 32 GoldCoinsHaveWeights.esp
51 33 AutoHideAmmo.esp
52 34 AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
254 FE 11 OCW_AO_FEPatch.esp
53 35 Companions Radiant Quests Requirement.esp
54 36 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
254 FE 12 Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp
55 37 AlchemyAdjustments.esp
56 38 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
57 39 VioLens SE.esp
254 FE 13 OCW_BDS_FEPatch.esp
58 3a DeadlyDragons.esp
254 FE 14 OCW_RLS_FEPatch.esp
59 3b Frostfall.esp
254 FE 15 DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
60 3c Fossilsyum.esp
61 3d Dragon Wall Wisdom.esp
62 3e konahrik_accoutrements.esp
63 3f GPPaperMoney.esp
254 FE 16 OCW_KA_FEPatch.esp
254 FE 17 OCW_iN_FEPatch.esp
254 FE 18 DBM_KA_Patch.esp
64 40 1nivWICCloaks.esp
254 FE 19 SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
65 41 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
66 42 AMatterOfTime.esp
67 43 RegularVendors.esp
68 44 Real Estate USSEP.esp
69 45 BBD_SkyrimFishing.esp
254 FE 1a DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
254 FE 1b DBM_AOS_Patch.esp
254 FE 1c DBM_KeepitClean_Patch.esp
254 FE 1d BDS - MM Patch.esp
254 FE 1e Better Dynamic Snow - Snowy Farmhouses.esp
70 46 BlendedRoads.esp
71 47 ChasingTheDragon.esp
72 48 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
254 FE 1f Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE 20 DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
254 FE 21 DBM_SUT_Patch.esp
254 FE 22 DBM_Fossils_Patch.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
73 49 Dr_Bandolier.esp
74 4a Footprints.esp
75 4b GIST soul trap.esp
76 4c Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
77 4d honedmetal.esp
78 4e HMB TCC.esp
254 FE 23 OCW_HMB_FEPatch.esp
79 4f Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
80 50 Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
81 51 LFGCustom.esp
82 52 iHUD.esp
83 53 Keep it Clean - Hunterborn Soaps Patch.esp
84 54 LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp
85 55 LeftHandRings.esp
86 56 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
87 57 PickUpBooksSimple.esp
88 58 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
89 59 SilentCombatMusic.esp
90 5a SimpleTaxes.esp
254 FE 24 CWRepairs.esp
91 5b Bells of Skyrim.esp
92 5c Missives.esp
93 5d The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
254 FE 25 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
94 5e HoldBorderBanners.esp
95 5f ImperialMail.esp
254 FE 26 DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp
96 60 ImperialMail - DBM.esp
97 61 BooksOfSkyrim.esp
254 FE 27 DBM_SkyrimSewers_Patch.esp
98 62 SleepTight.esp
99 63 TakeNotes.esp
100 64 True Scholar.esp
101 65 Time Passes.esp
102 66 TimingIsEverything.esp
103 67 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
104 68 WetandCold.esp
105 69 AHZmoreHUD.esp
254 FE 28 OCW_IL_FEPatch.esp
254 FE 29 OCW_iNE_FEPatch.esp
106 6a SOT-Sleeping.esp
107 6b Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
108 6c MLU.esp
109 6d MLU - Summermyst.esp
254 FE 2a OCW_MLU_FEPatch.esp
110 6e Helgen Reborn.esp
254 FE 2b DBM_MorrowlootUltimate_Patch.esp
254 FE 2c DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
111 6f Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
112 70 Lock_Overhaul.esp
113 71 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
254 FE 2d BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
114 72 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
115 73 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
116 74 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
117 75 CFTO.esp
118 76 CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp
119 77 Provincial Courier Service.esp
254 FE 2e CWR_IC_Patch.esp
120 78 Convenient Horses.esp
121 79 CFTO-Lanterns.esp
122 7a CFTO-CoveredCarriages.esp
254 FE 2f CFTO-iNeed-Patch.esp
123 7b Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
254 FE 30 BCS_TCIY_Patch.esp
124 7c Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
125 7d Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
126 7e RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
127 7f nwsFollowerFramework.esp
challenging_spell_learning_patch.esp
254 FE 31 nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp
128 80 ELE_SSE.esp
129 81 Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
254 FE 32 OCW_CellSettings.esp
130 82 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE 33 RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp
131 83 RealisticWaterTwo WaterColor - Keep It Clean.esp
254 FE 34 RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
132 84 ENB Light.esp
254 FE 35 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
133 85 Smashed Patch.esp

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Deliloy

[FableForge]

 

As per the guidance here, I modified EngineFixes.ini to <SaveGameMaxSize = true>

 

I came here after some lengthy googling, and this change instantly fixed it for me. Thanks!

 

This did it for me, too. I had tried the player.kill, the coc qasmoke and pcb, and plain old removing mods -nothing worked but this. Thank you.

[Mur4s4me]

squireoivanhoe, I just want to thank you for saving my save game. I had a bug with Legacy of the Dragonborn version 4.x. with its radiant quest (removed on version 5.x.) That kept on looping and stacking active scripts. I tried all other methods and didn't work, but after reading your post on the birds, it made me check in Resaver.

 

45k active scripts from that one LotD quest! No wonder my game was such a slog and finally died out when saving. Ot now saves so fast, and I don't get constant stutter anymore.

 

Once again, thank you!

[squireoivanhoe]

squireoivanhoe, I just want to thank you for saving my save game. I had a bug with Legacy of the Dragonborn version 4.x. with its radiant quest (removed on version 5.x.) That kept on looping and stacking active scripts. I tried all other methods and didn't work, but after reading your post on the birds, it made me check in Resaver.

 

45k active scripts from that one LotD quest! No wonder my game was such a slog and finally died out when saving. Ot now saves so fast, and I don't get constant stutter anymore.

 

Once again, thank you!

My pleasure! Glad to hear that you got it working. This is a heartbreaking bug so I know the pain. I'm just glad that we now have more than one solution!

[SaintGW]

And even after reinstalling everything, and following all the steps it is happening with my save again. Though this time, and actually every other time accept the first one, it happens after I have been summoned by the Greybeards. I'm really not in the mood to fuss with the special addition anymore. I'm probably overlooking something obvious.

[squireoivanhoe]

And even after reinstalling everything, and following all the steps it is happening with my save again. Though this time, and actually every other time accept the first one, it happens after I have been summoned by the Greybeards. I'm really not in the mood to fuss with the special addition anymore. I'm probably overlooking something obvious.

That sounds like a specific mod issue to me. Did those playthroughs have varying lengths up to being summoned?