Dukkah Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 @eltucu & ModelIV Oh, I have no doubt that they have money. Problem is, they're nonetheless subject to the profit motive. Yes, they've made money in the past, but that's not the primary concern. No, what's important is the profit to come, and it seems they've determined that there is not enough money to be made in RPGs, so they're selling out for the action adventure route. It's just good business. The most competitive games are those with the latest tech and most eye catching visuals, not to mention the deepest marketing pool. By the nature of our economic system, how well your product sells is more important than the quality of the product, so this sort of sacrificing gameplay elements to catch the wider, casual market is to be expected. I don't like it either, but it's hard not to admit that this trend has been developing since Daggerfall. Update graphics, trim gameplay, widen user base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltucu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Ah, yes. I was not arguing to why they're not doing an all round great game, just that they could but they dont want to. Even what i said bout lack of skill is kinda stupid now that i think bout it cuz they could hire almost whoever they wanted for making the story, wich wouldnt guarantee anything cuz Skyrim clearly shows lots of quest lines, and general gameplay ideas that were butchered for the game. That said, Skyrim doesnt has the latest tech precisely, so they're not even "bartering" with that segment of the players. Like i have said multiple times before, they like to make stuff "good enough" rather than great, or the best. My thing with TES and Bethesda in general is kinda love-hate since they have an amazing formula for an incredible game but they're always manage to dilute it at the end. Sad that i'll probably wont see any other spin off from Obsidian of Fallout :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frakle Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Or lack of profit in making it happen. :(Where the ppl get these ideas that every video company out there is hardly making any profit? Oblivion sold almost 2 million copies in its first month. FO3 sold almost 5 million copies in its first 2 months. Skyrim sold 8 million copies in its first month. And you tell me that they dont have the money? Or worse, that they have less money that Obsidian so they cant pull up the same kind of stuff in their games? Thats not even counting the 8 DLCs of Oblivion, with its two expansions, and the 5 DLCs of FO3, and probably some percentage of FONV sales with its 4 DLCs that probably Beth got for the licence. According to the Entretainment Software Association, video game retail sales of 2006 were around the 7 billion dollar mark, where the video game retail sales of 2010 were around the 15 billion dollar mark. And Beth's sales show that they increased their profits in the same way as the rest of the industry, so dont go and tell me that they dont have the money cuz thats another lie that has no basis according to every sales number out there from their past 2 big releases (cuz they dont dare to publish sales figures of their DLCs). They key word here is profit. Making a game costs quite a bit, especially for a game like Skyrim. Making the "new" engine and modelling and stuff don't cost money, but utilities at the working place, salaries, supplies (computers) would cost a lot even for a month. Now make that several years. So making the game costs a lot of money. It doesn't matter how much you sell if making your game costs more than the money you got out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltucu Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So making the game costs a lot of money. It doesn't matter how much you sell if making your game costs more than the money you got out of it.And? Or you're going in circles to avoid stating something particular instead of implying? "Making a game cost quite a bit" You dont say how much. "but utilities at the working place, salaries, supplies (computers) would cost a lot even for a month" again, you dont say how much. "It doesn't matter how much you sell if making your game costs more than the money you got out of it." and here you're avoiding to say that its Bethesda's case or not. Either talk numbers or take a stand on something cuz if not you're not going anywhere with those words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukkah Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sad that i'll probably wont see any other spin off from Obsidian of Fallout :( Shhh! Don't jinx it! Let me dream... At least for a little longer. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltucu Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think Sawyer already put a nail in the coffin with his comment bout Bethesda's engine bad performance :( His comment really sounded like a "Fu- you Bethesda!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman2310 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Wasn't this a thread about not getting enough respect as the Dovahkiin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawke1133 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Wasn't this a thread about not getting enough respect as the Dovahkiin? Even in it's own thread, the Dovahkiin get's no respect! Totally ignored after the first few posts.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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