ohGr Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I believe this is the second half of that "god" thread you should see this athiest being a religion debate thing was mentioned their as well as many other intresting ideas about religion. Sorry if I seemed like a @ss, I just feel the need to say Duhy somtimes to make myself feel smart. BTW ohGr, why do you have a upside-down cross on your avatars KKK looking hat? nah thats cool, i just like to call people a smartass sometimes :mellow: uhh...my avatar...well... its from a picture of a shirt made by Seth Putnam, involved with the band Impaled Northern Moonforest, a band dedicated to making fun of black metal, using hand patting, normal guitars, clapping, and one whacked vocal, the shirt was made with a black texture, the shirt was just bought from some cheapo store, if you want to see the whole picture of the shirt, go herehttp://inm.necrobation.org/fan stuff.htmignore the songs there, just the t-shirt, and read whats ontop of it, it says"Here are some pictures of a T-shirt Seth sent me. Warning: One of the T-shirts has a picture of the Necrowizard on it! If you're not totally grim you will probably die a swift, warm death."as for the picture of the guy hes the grim and frostbitten necrowizard of impaled northern moonforest. as for the inverted cross, and KKK looking hat, its a wizards hat, hence, necrowizard, and the inverted cross....hes...uhh...grim and frostbitten. also, look for on the shirt the inverted churchthe monsterthe preistgrimfrostbittenthe size of the shirt "xl\xgrm (extra large, extra grim) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonProphet Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Raised Roman Catholic. Got to point where I could think for myself. IMMEDIATLY became an atheist. There is no god. It is the invention of a mind dedicated to trapping itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I was born and raised a Catholic, but after my confirmation, I realized that catholicism was falling, and it will continue to fall unless a new leader comes out who can put the church back on the path it was meant to travel. Catholics repeat prayers over and over again without ever even trying to decipher the meaning of them, thus making them useless, meaningless repitition, good for nothing. All they do is try not to get damned, they do little good as I see it. So I changed myself into a Christian, just a Christian. I dont concur to an orthodox. I believe what I see, what the bible tells me, and I believe what my mind tells me. Eltiraaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Funny, actually... option to 'be' catholic, christian, metodist. When I just hink about all this 1500`s wars , catholics and protesatants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonProphet Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 You know, for a god that advocates peace, loving your neighbor, and forgiveness, there's an awful lot of killing and looting done in his name. Seems kinda hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Yeah it does. But is it god's fault that humans are just ass***es and they always find an excuse to do what is wrong? Let's take another example. Someone know Heinlein's book "Stranger in a strange world"? The Manson familiy used this book (of which I think that it is a very good book) as an excuse for their murders. You can use anything as an excuse for your wrong actions. Really anything. Is it now Heinleins fault that the Manson family used his book (which preaches peace among humans) to murder other people? Or is it the writers of the new testament fault (the new testament preaches equality, peace, love kindness, tolerance etc.) that some abuse the new testament to defend their wrong actions (like the crusades or inquisition)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadTree Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Wars are the invention of man, not God. And, for those of us who do believe in such a higher being, we're completly aware that God is the perfect being, MAN is the flawed creature. Can a flawed creature not make flawed choices? Of course s/he could. But does 2,000 years of ups and downs condemn all religion just because religion was a factor? Saying that all the looting and killing done in God's name is one thing, but I'm under the impression that any peace loving God probably wouldn't approve of it. It's like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Sybock all go to that planet, because Sybock hijacked the Enterprise on a quest to "find god." But what they do find is not God, just some kind of being posing as him, who is quick to shoot a lightning bolt at Kirk for questioning him. "What does God need with a spaceship?" or "What does God want with war?" is the question any person should ask before they deceide to carry out anything in his name. (And yes, I just tried to make a theological point with something for a Star Trek movie.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 But this thread is discussing religion, which is by definition a human interpertation of reality. Sure, god (assuming one exists) might not want war, but that's not religion. And the simple truth is, religion does inspire evil acts. And that's why I consider organized religion to be one of humanity's worst inventions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Yes, Peregrin, it does inspire evil acts. But only when this religion is misunderstood. In the name of christianity also many good actions were made. A lot of people who stood up for human rights and equality of humans were christians and did this because of their belief (e.g. Martin Luther King). And to show you that not only religion can inspire evil acts: Look at the NSDAP of Hitler. They used Darwin and Haeckel as excuses for their actions. They thought that the "*censored* race" was just more advanced than the other races (like jews) and therefore it was the right of the more advanced race to kill the less advanced races and to take their place. Surviving of the stronger. I cannot support such an ideology. Of course it is clear to everyone that Hitler abused Darwin's theory there for his own purposes. The same is the case, when you read in the New Testament "Love your enemies" and then go and kill people because of their different belief (crusades, inquisition, conquista etc. etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Darnoc is absolutely right. It is fact a lot of tremendous acts were taken in name of God, or religion, but not only in their name. Ideology may also be deadly even if it preaches love and peace. Communism is a deadly good example: its theories describe love and end of abusing people by other people... and reality is: millions of victims and lands devastated. In the name of better tomorrow. I mean the problem is the people may do everything and anything to other people if they`re convinced they`re right and their deeds serve the community. See... it`s hard to believe but Inquisition believed it`s better for people to burn them - therefore they could not be damned as heretics. So, from THAT point of view, they were in fact helping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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