Fallout For Real - Could You Handle It?

[Fkemman11]

 

 

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The threshold of mass destruction and countless dead by a nuke only needs to be crossed once.

 

< prune >

 

 

Don't you mean 'Once again'? Nukes have been used in war already. :mad:

 

And pandemics have occurred before. :sick: Black Death. Influenza. Diseases born by rats and their fleas or birds or insects arriving on the wind have spread worldwide before. Modern transportation only makes it easier.

 

 

The yield of those two bombs was nothing compared to the destructive force of modern nukes. And most of the people from that Era have passed. This is why I did not include them. Unfortunately most people have to witness things for themselves in order to be convinced. Do you disagree?

[PoorlyAged]

 

 

The yield of those two bombs was nothing compared to the destructive force of modern nukes. And most of the people from that Era have passed. This is why I did not include them. Unfortunately most people have to witness things for themselves in order to be convinced. Do you disagree?

 

 

 

Even though the relative destructive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki where low compared to the bombs in modern arsenals, the mentality to use nuclear weapons has been confirmed. And the use of nuclear weapons is all about the mentality of humans and not about yield. I would add that not including the facts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a form of denial which should not be tolerated. We must include these historic events in any discussion of nuclear weapons, if only to remind ourselves that we are capable of their use.

 

And you do humanity a disservice when you disparage our collective ability to learn from the past. Collectively, humanity is pretty damned smart. It is a small fraction of individuals which are stupid as stones. Your evaluation of humanity is tantamount of placing humanity on a level with Lemmings. So I vehemently disagree.

Edited May 6, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[Fkemman11]

 

 

 

The yield of those two bombs was nothing compared to the destructive force of modern nukes. And most of the people from that Era have passed. This is why I did not include them. Unfortunately most people have to witness things for themselves in order to be convinced. Do you disagree?

 

 

 

Even though the relative destructive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki where low compared to the bombs in modern arsenals, the mentality to use nuclear weapons has been confirmed. And the use of nuclear weapons is all about the mentality of humans and not about yield. I would add that not including the facts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a form of denial which should not be tolerated. We must include these historic events in any discussion of nuclear weapons, if only to remind ourselves that we are capable of their use.

 

And you do humanity a disservice when you disparage our collective ability to learn from the past. Collectively, humanity is pretty damned smart. It is a small fraction of individuals which are stupid as stones. Your evaluation of humanity is tantamount of placing humanity on a level with Lemmings. So I vehemently disagree.

 

 

I will amend my earlier statement to say that should the threshold of nuclear weapon deployment be crossed today​, even with the lessons learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that it would be like opening Pandora's box. I never said that humanity is stupid. I meant that from generation to generation past lessons are sometimes forgotten. And if that is not true then why does Humanity make the same mistakes over and again?

[PoorlyAged]

 

 

 

 

The yield of those two bombs was nothing compared to the destructive force of modern nukes. And most of the people from that Era have passed. This is why I did not include them. Unfortunately most people have to witness things for themselves in order to be convinced. Do you disagree?

 

 

 

Even though the relative destructive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki where low compared to the bombs in modern arsenals, the mentality to use nuclear weapons has been confirmed. And the use of nuclear weapons is all about the mentality of humans and not about yield. I would add that not including the facts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a form of denial which should not be tolerated. We must include these historic events in any discussion of nuclear weapons, if only to remind ourselves that we are capable of their use.

 

And you do humanity a disservice when you disparage our collective ability to learn from the past. Collectively, humanity is pretty damned smart. It is a small fraction of individuals which are stupid as stones. Your evaluation of humanity is tantamount of placing humanity on a level with Lemmings. So I vehemently disagree.

 

 

I will amend my earlier statement to say that should the threshold of nuclear weapon deployment happen today​, even with the lessons learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that it would be like opening Pandora's box. I never said that humanity is stupid. I meant that from generation to generation past lessons are sometimes forgotten. And if that is not true then why does Humanity make the same mistakes over and again?

 

 

Your most cogent point is " from generation to generation past lessons are sometimes forgotten".

 

Human history is fraught with ugly, shameful and horrific events. We collectively shy away from believing ourselves capable from such horrors, and denial is a powerful thing. Denial allows us to lie to ourselves and to delude ourselves. Thus the lessons are lost when these events are left out of our collective history or omitted from relevant discussions. We silently condemn ourselves for the past as our omissions condemn our future. There must be a hundred variations of the quote, but here is my favorite variant. Any civilization which deliberately ignores it's history is condemned to repeat it.

Edited May 6, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[MightyZ0G]

it's almost guaranteed that anyone in a city hasn't got a chance. even if they survive the initial attack, they will be out of food and water within a week at the outside.

 

small towns and villages that aren't within targeted areas could do quite well. they usually have good community spirit and it wouldn't be difficult to build defenses around and between houses and/or entire streets to create self sufficient communities.

 

 

 

 

If I am forced to take shelter in a public fallout shelter I will undoubtedly kill every person in that shelter to preserve the resources for MY family.

 

Murder is serious but when you know what it takes to survive, what risks are on the table the last thing you want is to be in the mercy of a stranger.

 

 

 

that's a very limited and also delusional attitude.

survivors need to co-operate or they soon stop being survivors. you also assume that there are no military/police assigned to the public shelters and you would be able to kill dozens of people before you were incapacitated. anyone prepared enough to build a shelter is prepared enough for their guests to start throwing their weight around.

 

you need to keep as many people alive as possible or you will end up paddling in a gene pool getting shallower by the second. not much point surviving if there is no long term plan for the future. not forgetting that different people have different skill sets.