Getting seriously annoyed by people disrespecting anime mods...

[thesapien]

 

The above is a bit smarmy and more than a little sarcastic. Yes, it is intended to offend a bit - shouldn't it? Are we seriously even talking about the idea of an anime content filter here? How other people spend their time in the game, what mods they enjoy and the like is part and parcel to the very idea of modding. Make it whatever you want. What it feels like to me is a misplaced attempt to try and somehow 'shame' modders into making more lore-friendly content and shame fans into not support something they might otherwise like. That's counter to the whole point of something like the Nexus. More is always better. That anime mod you hate just might provide the inspiration for a lore-friendly mod you do. More mods = more total content = more creativity = more interest in the game = more total support for modding in general. Making someone who spends the time to mod feel bad about their hard work is a kick in the nuts to the community as a whole. It benefits nobody. Hopefully we're better than that. If we're not we should at least lie and fake it.

 

Me thinks you misunderstand what we mean by filter. I support a filter for anime because it would allow me to better find such stuff. Filters/tags are the same on Nexus. No one here has yet suggested the kind of filter you're talking about. Or, rather, if they did, then only they got what they meant and maybe you. And then, yes, shame on them. Plus, it won't happen.

[imperistan]

I admit I'm at a bit of a loss here. I'm a fan of some anime. Doesn't appeal to me to in Skyrim any more than seeing Rick Hunter shout 'FUS ROH DAH!' to knock over a Zentradi in Robotech.

 

Yet I fail to see what someone making a mod with anime elements in it has to do, at all, in any way what so ever with what mods I download and enjoy. I don't even get why there needs to be a filter aside from adult content for it. Are people seriously offended, as in affecting their enjoyment of the game offended, by the idea that someone is making anime mods or playing them?

 

Somewhere, right now, someone is listening to Hannah Montana. On purpose. And enjoying it. Not just a little girl but an actual adult. This does not mean that you need to destroy your ipod or that Amazon Music needs to filter out Hannah Montana content least you be somehow horribly confronted with the idea that someone else is listening to it.

 

I have no personal interest in a mod with anime models in it for Skyrim. Or tentacle sex for that matter. Or god items for thieves. In fact there is probably a longer list of things I don't want in mods than of things I do want. Fortunately the amazing wonders of technology that is the Incredible Interwebs lets me actually go past the things that don't interest me and just click on the ones that do.

 

Perhaps the ability to go past things I don't like and click ones I do is some god-like superpower I have up until now simply taken for granted? Perhaps what we need to do is create some sort of device, some sort of small hand-sized device that allows you to move a cursor around the screen, that people can more easily click on just the things that interest them. Hand sized, perhaps with a cord that attaches to the computer, almost like a little tail.... we could call it a mouse! Maybe this would extend to the great unwashed masses the same incredible superpower that my superior genetics have granted me! This will save people from having to click on, look at and be utterly compelled by their complete lack of impulse control to make needless and pointless comments on.

 

 

Maybe I can patent the idea. In the interim maybe we can.... crazy idea I know.... maybe, just maybe we can have the wacky expectation that people use a thimble full of maturity and take advantage of that whole 'scroll on past' thing instead of asking someone to waste their time creating a 'anime' tag for mods and sorting through countless thousands of mods to retroactively add them?

 

Crazy, yes, but just crazy enough to work!

 

*******

 

The above is a bit smarmy and more than a little sarcastic. Yes, it is intended to offend a bit - shouldn't it? Are we seriously even talking about the idea of an anime content filter here? How other people spend their time in the game, what mods they enjoy and the like is part and parcel to the very idea of modding. Make it whatever you want. What it feels like to me is a misplaced attempt to try and somehow 'shame' modders into making more lore-friendly content and shame fans into not support something they might otherwise like. That's counter to the whole point of something like the Nexus. More is always better. That anime mod you hate just might provide the inspiration for a lore-friendly mod you do. More mods = more total content = more creativity = more interest in the game = more total support for modding in general. Making someone who spends the time to mod feel bad about their hard work is a kick in the nuts to the community as a whole. It benefits nobody. Hopefully we're better than that. If we're not we should at least lie and fake it.

 

 

Its more the fact that most who do prefer lore-friendly (or more accurately, more aesthetically proper) mods for Skyrim, usually don't like having to sift through the sheer massive amounts of anime and worthless skimpy mods just to get to the mods that do fall in line with what they prefer and don't otherwise show up on the hot files or near the top of the list.

 

Its the same sort of thing on Netflix for instance. I hate having to sift through the massive amounts of trashy movies or TV shows it has just to get to the good ones that aren't always showing up on the front page. It doesn't have a way to filter out this type of content and while the Nexus has tags, I've yet to get that system to successfully filter anything out.

[thesapien]

As a fan of anime, I can say that there are quite a few mods that are in fact good, immersive mods. Some of the regular clothes mods out there that people use might in fact be anime mods. Those and the odd random mods are the ones I like and use.

Then there are skimpy anime mods, which I rarely like, and then the skimpy pseudo armor mods that are lumped into the same genre with all the decent stuff.

The latter two are the most common, and because of those, people have a preconceived misconception that anime is all about porn and cartoons. It's not. Anime in itself has dozens of genres/categories, just like novels.

With that said, we do need some better filters.

 

You very nicely point out how silly we sound talking about "anime" as Westerners. To a native of Japan, vanilla Skyrim is already anime. It has a regional niche but is definitely animation and not live actors. If it were made with still pictures, it would be manga.

[mrspongeworthy]

It isn't so much a matter of "do I like" anime as it is a question of "does this mod fit the skyrim world"? Personally, I have nothing against anime, but I wouldn't touch an anime mod for Skyrim with a 10 foot pole. Why? For the same reason there shouldn't be a comic relief character in Film Noir, or there shouldn't be modern dwarf-tossing jokes or references to modern medical knowledge (nervous system) in a Lord of the Rings movie: These things don't fit the atmosphere of original concept material at all. Some people don't care, some people do. Some people really like (and really "get" and "get into") the atmosphere of things, and other people don't so much. Some people think you should listen to concept albums as a whole, and others feel it is perfectly OK to pick and choose individual songs. These things are, to a large extent, a personal preference.

 

But it is very annoying to have to filter through mods that simply don't fit Skyrim at all. Imagine you like Jazz, and you go to iTunes, but the iTunes Jazz section is filled with R&B that for some reason people thought fit with the Jazz genre.

 

So I would LOVE to see a preference where people could vote for mods as "breaking immersion" or "not fitting lore". That would be a very simple way for people who only want "lore friendly" mods to very easily filter out all the "junk" as we often call it. If you are into Anime mods, then you could use the opposite setting if it existed and search only for mods that break the lore of Skyrim and filter out what to you would probably be "lore-friendly junk". That would make everyone happy.

 

:wallbash: TAGS!

 

Edit: bben, note that I specifically suggest a voting system, not just the tags. This would allow people to "vote" that mods do not fit the atmosphere of skyrim. That's all. Seems like a fair way to keep everyone happy.

Edited February 12, 2012 by Mr_SpongeWorthy

[thesapien]

It isn't so much a matter of "do I like" anime as it is a question of "does this mod fit the skyrim world"? Personally, I have nothing against anime, but I wouldn't touch an anime mod for Skyrim with a 10 foot pole. Why? For the same reason there shouldn't be a comic relief character in Film Noir, or there shouldn't be modern dwarf-tossing jokes or references to modern medical knowledge (nervous system) in a Lord of the Rings movie: These things don't fit the atmosphere of original concept material at all. Some people don't care, some people do. Some people really like (and really "get" and "get into") the atmosphere of things, and other people don't so much. Some people think you should listen to concept albums as a whole, and others feel it is perfectly OK to pick and choose individual songs. These things are, to a large extent, a personal preference.

 

But it is very annoying to have to filter through mods that simply don't fit Skyrim at all. Imagine you like Jazz, and you go to iTunes, but the iTunes Jazz section is filled with R&B that for some reason people thought fit with the Jazz genre.

 

So I would LOVE to see a preference where people could vote for mods as "breaking immersion" or "not fitting lore". That would be a very simple way for people who only want "lore friendly" mods to very easily filter out all the "junk" as we often call it. If you are into Anime mods, then you could use the opposite setting if it existed and search only for mods that break the lore of Skyrim and filter out what to you would probably be "lore-friendly junk". That would make everyone happy.

 

Actually, it just occurred to me that this might cause another stink. I don't think Witcher2 mods fit well into Skyrim, but others think they are lore friendly. What then?

Edited February 12, 2012 by thesapien

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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Perhaps the ability to go past things I don't like and click ones I do is some god-like superpower I have up until now simply taken for granted?

...

This reminded me of the 'Deadpool Common Sense' demotivational poster....

 

 

Anyway...

 

As far as Lore vs Non-Lore, I don't have a definite answer for that, if I like the mod I'll try it, if not I won't.

 

One example, I used the Asuka HUD in Fallout 3, I though it was a cute little UI mod.

 

 

But I do agree that the ability to better filter what search results you get can't hurt anyone, it'll let people avoid what they don't want, and help others find those mods if they want them.

:wallbash: It's called tagging! It already exists and has been a part of the Nexus for some time - and it seems nobody uses it then they complain that we don't have a system that does this! :facepalm:

[rpger30]

It seems like it would be a good idea to add a few basic filters like "anime," japanime," "jrpg," etc. I think it would also be wise to add a few filters for specific genres, games, and styles as well. This would really help everyone - I'm betting this will actually happen to some degree some time soon. The Nexus has always done a great job helping us find the mods we love.

 

:wallbash: It already exists! And has for some time. With nearly a hundred specific tags available. A filter CANNOT work if it has nothing to filter on. The tags allow YOU to decide what the filters are. But if you don't use it, it won't work. :facepalm:

Bben46

[Stormcrown]

Flame baiting thread in general.

 

Bringing up anime mods is basically a big lighthouse for controversy.

[bben46]

TL:DR - There already is a filter system, it's called tags. Please tag the files so it will work properly. :whistling:

 

\start rant\

 

I am frustrated by people who have no clue what a filter really is or how a filter works, but demand a 'filter' for some specific type of mod. The current 'adult only' filter works by the mod maker checking a box that places it into this category when they upload it. If that box is not checked, it goes into the general files. In order to use this with every other demand for a filter, we would have a long confusing list of boxes to check. Then, a mod maker may not think their mod is not 'lore friendly' or is 'realistic' when you think it is or is not. So right from the start this method is a failure.

 

You cannot just declare a filter and it automatically finds and removes every mod that you think should fit that filter. How does it decide what fits and what doesn't? Magic? :psyduck: Does it look for a specific word in the mod name? Or does it take 20 minutes to scan the description and read me of every mod each time you look at the mod list? Should it keep a filtered list for each member? That means nearly 3 million filtered lists that must be updated daily. We will need a supercomputer. What about a mod called 'My Mod' with a read me that only says "Please try my mod and tell me what you think" - Yes we do have those here. :pinch: And then the filter has absolutely nothing to work with. Next step, a bot that actually loads and runs a game with the mod - looking for certain things - in about 20 years maybe. Or, the moderators should do the filtering - That means we have to load and run about 300 mods a day checking each mod against several hundred possible filters to keep up. :blink: I quit.

For those demanding another filter. There is a filter - it's called the tags. :rolleyes:

It actually allows members a say in what is filtered. Once the tags reach a critical mass - enough of them are tagged, we will be able to work with that to give you a filter that either excludes or includes almost anything based on the tags. BUT in order for this to be possible, the mods MUST be tagged. If they are not tagged, a filter cannot do anything with them.

How many mods have you tagged? "None? Then quit whining and start tagging! :thumbsup:

 

Unfortunately, most of our members are too lazy to tag the files they look at, and many of the mod makers don't bother with it either. :wallbash: That means that in order for it to work properly, YOU will have to do their job for them and tag the mods you look at.

 

Please don't go overboard with tagging though, A bikini mod is NOT 'adult-only' or 'NSFW'o. It IS 'sexy or revealing' and 'Clothing-Female'. I suggest limiting tagging to 3 categories - for instance, I tag any 'My little pony' mods as 1. Unrealistic, 2. Humor, joke or just for fun, 3 Comedy.

 

There is a tag for anime already PLEASE, whether you are an anime fanboy or hater - TAG IT! :whistling:

 

\end rant\

[jesusismyairbag]

i agree with the filter thing, if people wanna use them, thats fine, but i know i dont like, so im not gonna waste my time and especially im not going to diss the modder who put his/her time into these mods.