Please, some help with mods for a lone wa... player?

[Archylon]

Greetings, good people of Cyrodi... uhm, dear ladies and gentlemen of this forum. This is my first time being here, especially making a new topic about some problems that I've encountered while playing Oblivion with mods,

I'll try to be short.

After installing these mods (below you can see which exactly and which are active/non-active)

 

 

 

BOSS
Version 2.3.2


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Summary
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Plugin Type Count
Recognised (or sorted by user rules) 100
Unrecognised 3
Inactive 4
All 103


Plugin Message Type Count
Warning 0
Error 0
All 34


* Masterlist updated; at revision: 2756ad0ca.
* Note: Latest BOSS thread ("http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1584798-boss-for-oblivion-thread-51/")


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OBSE Plugins
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OBSE Version: 0.0.21.4

Better Cities Helper.dll Version: 1.0.0.908

Blockhead.dll Version: 10.3.8.512

Elys_USV.dll

FastExit2.dll

MenuQue.dll

OblivionReloaded.dll Version: 6.1.2.0

OBSE_Elys_Pluggy.dll

OBSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll

OBSE_Kyoma_MenuQue.dll

sr_Oblivion_Stutter_Remover.dll


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Recognised Plugins
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These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

Oblivion.esm Active

All Natural Base.esm Version 1.36 Active

Marriage.esm Active

Better Cities Resources.esm Version 6.0.7 Active

Children.esm Active

ShieldOnBack.esm Version 3.4.1 Active

DLCShiveringIsles.esp Active

Better Cities .esp Version 6.0.5 Active
* Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA


Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.3_coloroverride.esp.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tae_CO_RD.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp Active

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp Active

All Natural.esp Version 1.36 Active
* Note: Required for All Natural. Make sure this is active and not just imported into your Bashed Patch.
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Climate, MustBeActiveIfImported}}


All Natural - SI.esp Version 1.36 Active
* Note: Required for All Natural SI support. Make sure this is active and not just imported into your Bashed Patch.
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Climate, MustBeActiveIfImported}}


Immersive Interiors.esp Version 0.8.1 Active
* Requires: All Natural - For the transparent windows and the ESM file.
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


Immersive Interiors - Bravil.esp Active
* Requires: Immersive Interiors & All Natural


Immersive Interiors - Imperial City.esp Version 1.5 Active

Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp Active

All Natural - Real Lights.esp Version 1.36 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Graphics, MustBeActiveIfImported, Scripts}}
* Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.


IlluminationWithout.esp

IlluminationWithin.esp Active

ImprovedSigns.esp Active

Marriage Patch.esp Version 1.2 Active

Marriage - Lovers Comfort.esp Active

OblivionReloaded.esp Active

Potion Unlimiter-1948.esp Active

Purge Cell Buffers - Cell Change.esp Version 1.0.0 Active

Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp Version 1.0.0 Active

Dynamic Map.esp Version 2.1.1 Active

DLCHorseArmor.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Scripts}}


DLCOrrery.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Actors.AIPackages}}


DLCVileLair.esp Active

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp Active

DLCSpellTomes.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}


Immersive Weapons.esp Active

New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp Active
* Note: Removed AI Packages "BanditBossWanderInterior [PACK:0003DC4F]" and "BanditBossWanderExterior [PACK:00058DB0]"


DLCThievesDen.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Name, C.Light, Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.Stats}}


1DandelionFarm.esp Active

Benirus Lair.esp Version 1.0 Active

Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp Version 2.01 Active

Better Benirus Manor.esp Version 5.1-SI Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Light}}


Better Benirus Manor - Benirus Lair Patch.esp Version 5.1 Active

Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch.esp Version 5.1 Active

Better Benirus Manor - RL Patch.esp Version 5.1 Active

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp Version 3.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Actors.AIPackages, Invent}}


Kvatch Rebuilt - No More Burned Ground.esp Active

Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp Active

RoadLights.esp Active

Angel's Arena Loot en.esp Active
* Note: Unlikely to work with other IC Arena mods


DLCBattlehornCastle.esp Active

DLCFrostcrag.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Name, C.Owner, Factions}}


Knights.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Actors.AIPackages, Factions, Relations}}


All Natural RL - DLC Patch.esp Active

xuldarkforest.esp Version 1.0.5 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Music, C.Water}}


xulStendarrValley.esp Version 1.2.2 Active

xulTheHeath.esp Version 1.1.1 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


XulEntiusGorge.esp Version 1.2.2 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


xulFallenleafEverglade.esp Version 1.3.2 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp Version 1.2.2 Active

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp Version 1.6.6 Active
* Note: Make sure version is 1.6.3 or later.


xulBravilBarrowfields.esp Version 1.3.6 Active

xulLushWoodlands.esp Version 1.3.5 Active

xulAncientYews.esp Version 1.4.5 Active

xulAncientRedwoods.esp Version 1.6 Active

xulCloudtopMountains.esp Version 1.0.4 Active

xulArriusCreek.esp Version 1.1.5 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


xulPatch_AY_AC.esp Version 1.2 Active

xulRollingHills_EV.esp Version 1.3.3 Active
* Note: Only use one UL Rolling Hills plugin.


xulPantherRiver.esp Version 1.1.1 Active

xulRiverEthe.esp Version 1.0.3 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp Version 1.1.2 Active

xulImperialIsle.esp Version 1.6.9 Active

xulBlackwoodForest.esp Version 1.1.2 Active

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp Version 1.0.1 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


xulAspenWood.esp Version 1.0.4 Active

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp Version 1.0.3 Active

xulSnowdale.esp Version 1.0.7 Active

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp Version 1.1.3 Active

xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp Version 1.0.5 Active

xulJerallGlacier.esp Version 1.0.2 Active

xulTheEasternPeaks.esp Version 1.2.1 Active

Unique Landscapes.esp Active

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp Active
* Note: Put before Unique Landscape mods to return tree sizes there to normal.


HUD Status Bars.esp Version 6.3.2 Active
* Requires: OBSE and MenuQue


Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp Version 3.2.1 Active

Alternative Beginnings.esp Version 1.4.4 Active

Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp Version 3.0.1 Active

Children Patch.esp Version 1.3 Active

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp Version 2.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Eyes, NpcFaces, R.Head, R.Mouth}}


Better Cities Full.esp Version 6.0.7a Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp Version 6.0.2 Active

Better Imperial City.esp Version 6.0.7 Active

All Natural Real Lights - Better Cities IC Patch.esp Active

Better Cities Chorrol - Immersive Interiors.esp Version 6.0.4 Active

Better Cities - All Natural.esp Version 6.0.4 Active

xulChorrolHinterland-BC6.esp Version 1.2.5 Active

Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp Version 6.0.7 Active

Better Cities - Leyawiin Flooded.esp Version 6.0.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: C.Water}}


LightSpellBlue.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Version 4216 Active


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Unrecognised Plugins
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The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.

Children Shivering Isles.esm Active

Children Shivering Isles Patch.esp Version 1.3 Active

Fix Book Quest Item Status.esp

 

 

 

Now comes the hardest part. After installing these modifications, encountered some strange things. These are:

1) Arvena Thelas' house in Anvil. When I'm trying to enter it - this is what I get.

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14144028m.png

 

 

Strange, isn't it? But that's not all.

 

What's more strange - my map strongly suggests that I am NOT in Anvil (take a look).

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14128668m.png

 

 

OK, moving on.

 

2) Benirus Manor in Anvil. There is a corner in the basement where is nothing under carpet. Just... darkness.

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14122524m.png

 

 

If to step on it - my character will fall down, until he will return to the basement above and some steps aside from that "black hole".
Additionally, as you can see here...

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14107164m.png

 

 

... that darkness on the floor blinks from side to side (I assume this is between Benirus Lair and Benirus Basement where Lorgren's altar is).

 

3) Bravil. For some strange reason, the entrance to the orphanage has been... a little cut, yes.

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14099996m.png

 

 

4) The Great Chapel of Stendarr in Chorrol. Yes, you see that right.

 

 

http://savepic.ru/14104092m.png

 

 

 

5) Frostmourne And Lich Kings Armor United by jojjo. While swords' replicas are working fine, the true Frostmourne makes CTD the moment I am equipping it, even without it's sheathing.

Using Oblivion with Shivering Isles, 1.2.0.416 (non Steam). Additionally, using the latest OBSE (v0021).
Besides mods that are noted above, I am using DarnUI and Qarl TP3 v1_3's hires textures.

Used BOSS to sort plugins before playing the game + Wrye Bash for making Bashed Patch.

I don't use COBL or OOO.

However, there could be that I am doing something wrong, for I am not pro when it comes to Oblivion modding. Maybe I must install those mods in a specific order? Or maybe some mod is conflicting with the other?

Could you please help me, and say what is exactly that I am doing wrong?
Also, could it be that I am doing something wrong while rebuilding Bashed Patch?

Edited May 28, 2017 by Archylon

[Oblivionaddicted]

Check the mods that alter the glitchy cells and cancel their changes with TES4Edit. It might fix a part of your problems.

[beldaran1224]

You have a number of very serious issues.

 

Have you read any of the readmes for these mods? You have mods that do the same thing (Natural Weather/All Natural), mods that are known to be buggy (Illumination Within), and far too many esps for several mods (Unique Landscapes should have the individual plugins OR the merged esp, not both).

 

In other words, your load order is completely jacked up and you need to go through each mod, read the esp and install accordingly. Additionally, you should be using either OBMM or Wrye Bash to install your mods - both have automated installation options for the large mods you're running (Better Cities, Unique Landscapes, All Natural (Wrye Bash is required for All Natural to work properly).

 

Furthermore, I notice you don't have a single one of the Unofficial Patches. Why?

[Archylon]

Thank you very much, guys, for your quick replies. And I'll answer.

 

 

Check the mods that alter the glitchy cells and cancel their changes with TES4Edit. It might fix a part of your problems.

You may find it funny, but I've never done this thing before. Well, I suppose, there's always something new to try in your life... any guides or tips about that?

 

 

Have you read any of the readmes for these mods?

Yeah, though it could have been that I haven't noticed something important.

 

 

You have mods that do the same thing (Natural Weather/All Natural),

Oh... yes, my bad. Even if activated is just Natural Weather corrected by Ryu Doppler, along with All Natural - still, I admit. A mistake from my person.

 

 

and far too many esps for several mods

Well... yeah. But maybe that is a result of installing the mods with OBMM Extended (it did asked me some installation options during mod installing)...

 

Which also leads to another part of your post, where you've mentioned OBMM/Wrye Bash. Using them both, though TBH, I've never used WB to install a single mod. Preferred OBMM. Also, got TesModManager for Oblivion, but something tells me that it may not be the tool I need to use.

 

 

Wrye Bash is required for All Natural to work properly

Wow, thank you very much - I honestly did not know that!

 

 

Furthermore, I notice you don't have a single one of the Unofficial Patches. Why?

My answer is a bit silly/stupid, but I haven't encountered any serious bugs while playing Oblivion. Maybe there was a two-three of them in the past, but not now. If UOP must be used with mods - did not know that. Will use in the future.

 

So, if I understood things correctly - must reinstall Oblivion with SI and KotN + other official plugins, patch them with official patches and UOP as well, then install other mods one by one (excluding Weather Natural and some others) with WB/OBMM. Right? Then use WB to build a Bashed Patch... BTW, are there any settings in building a patch that I have missed?

And then - LOOT/BOSS.

 

Also, is there a particular order which mod to install first, then second then etc and etc?

Edited June 3, 2017 by Archylon

[beldaran1224]

1) You can try this, but without knowing a decent amount about mods in general and your mods in particular, its far more likely you'll make any issues worse.

 

2) The readmes mention correct installation methods. All Natural, in particular, as a fantastic readme that specifically notes that it is incompatible with Natural Weather and requires use of the filter feature of Wrye Bash. I noticed that you do in fact have a Bashed Patch, though.

 

Purge Cell Buffers specifically mentions choosing only one.

 

Why aren't you using the merged version of UL? I didn't count, but it looks like you have them all. More esps means higher instability.

 

Finally, Better Cities (seems to) have too many esps - do you need both IC Imperial City and Imperial City? I would read carefully to make sure this is correct. I've never seen that many BC plugins in a load order.

 

3) Its not "just Natural Weather". Its two mods that are actively competing to control your weather. Since many of your issues involve odd visual glitches, I'd think it pretty likely that this is the cause. You can't simply shrug it off when you use two mods that are explicitly incompatible with one another.

 

4) As for OBMM Extended - the mod page explains that you should use TESModManager as it fixes several bugs. However, I've noticed that some OMOD scripts have difficulty with TMM and would probably stick to OBMM.

 

5) Wrye Bash is required for the Bash Patch. Since you do use it, you're fine.

 

6) The Unofficial Patch is only for fully patched versions of the game. So all of those bugs didn't just go away magically. Every single one of those bugs are still in the game. Furthermore, there are a whole lot more than 2-3 bugs. The Unofficial Patches are especially important when modding for two reasons: what is a small bug in a vanilla game can be much worse when modding and many mods expect it to be loaded and have made their mods completely compatible with the patches - so your mods are expecting those fixes to be in place.

 

Finally, your issues almost certainly are due to Better Cities. The first is not something I can diagnose, but a visual glitch may be solved by getting rid of the Natural Weather esps (which you shouldn't have had so many of anyways) and/or Illumination Within/Without. Illuminatino Within/Without is known to be a buggy mod and is not recommended. Look for Animated Window Lighting System instead.

[shinobi2008]

Adding to what beldaran said... here is a comprehensive guide for modding Oblivion: http://wiki.theassimilationlab.com/tescosi/Main_Page. The information on that wiki might be a bit outdated but is still relevant to this day. Just ignore the FCOM section until you are sure you know what you are doing. :) And yes, reading the readme is quite crucial if you want to mod the game and enjoy playing it instead of troubleshooting most of time (been there.... done that and from time to time I still bomb the whole game installation and start from scratch)