Buying Steam games.

[gsmanners]

In my corrupt country of idiocracy and united zombies, if you're not concerned about privacy, then you might not be doing anything "wrong", but you're also not doing anything right.

 

If you're not concerned about privacy you are definitely up to something very wrong. Privacy is one of the major elements of a civilized society.

[hector530]

In my corrupt country of idiocracy and united zombies, if you're not concerned about privacy, then you might not be doing anything "wrong", but you're also not doing anything right.

 

If you're not concerned about privacy you are definitely up to something very wrong. Privacy is one of the major elements of a civilized society.

 

Yet still no proof exist that steam is scanning browser history like origin does. So panic for something unproven

[thesapien]

In my corrupt country of idiocracy and united zombies, if you're not concerned about privacy, then you might not be doing anything "wrong", but you're also not doing anything right.

 

If you're not concerned about privacy you are definitely up to something very wrong. Privacy is one of the major elements of a civilized society.

 

Yet still no proof exist that steam is scanning browser history like origin does. So panic for something unproven

 

I just assume anything and everything I do on this computer is being always being logged by someone or something. That way, never a reason to panic. Funny, I just installed Origin to play the ME3 demo.

[hector530]

EA says origin has never done such a thing even though there's videos and screenshots of origin scanning stuff like browser history.

 

Idk if they have stopped since being caught or maybe they got better at hiding it. But I haven't heard anything in a while about it.

[imperistan]

People should realize that while Origin might be scanning, it literally cannot and has not sent this data anywhere. Its been proven that no data is sent during these scans and no copies of this data are produced so they cannot be sent at any other time.

 

The scanning is likely a leftover from a point when the software may have allowed you to install your games in a different location than normal.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

For future reference all EULA are like this. Whenever you buy software you are buying a liscense for said software. The company of origin retains rights to it and if you break the EULA you will either have your rights to the software revoked or your support revoked. This is not news.

 

Also the op is clearly trying to stir up trouble with this post, something very close to trolling which is not viewed welcomely here.

How exactly was I trying to stir up trouble? By suggesting it is safer and better in my opinion to buy a hard copy? I must have missed the part where I suggested attacking Steam headquarters. I was reading a stupid article about virtual purchasing where Steam was mentioned as one example so I shared part of their download agreement on here and get assaulted for it. If anyone knows how to delete a thread I would be MORE than happy to.

 

Actually you kind of said what needed saying in this case. As for me if the game isn't available from an online source I simply wouldn't be able to buy it. You are not stirring up trouble as far as I can see. The thing that just rips me to the bone though is the fact that the moment any topic like this comes up some smart ass has to start accusing people of piracy. Any of us that have been in the world of computers knows how the EULAs are set up and it was decided long ago that you don't own anything except basically a lease to use the product as long as you abide by the rules of the home owner's association. For me it is just the fact that the moment you say something that you should be able to use the product without having to connect to the mother ship the accusations and assumptions start flying.

Thanks. At least somebody understood what my original purpose was in posting this. I wasn't trying to start a lot of controversy, just pointing out how it seems unfair to be at a company's mercy to use a product you paid for.

 

So what was your original purpose anyhow, other than making a stink. Guess what, when you download a virus scanner you signed a EULA, when you installed Windows you signed a EULA, when you listen to any music on your PC you signed a EULA for the music player, and guess what, just like Steam they can revoke your right to use their software if you break the EULA. Unless you buy a special license for said software you are only leasing the use of any of this software.

 

So what was your point again :rolleyes:

[a7x5631]

Hey look, another "Steam is the devil" thread.

 

So what was your original purpose anyhow, other than making a stink. Guess what, when you download a virus scanner you signed a EULA, when you installed Windows you signed a EULA, when you listen to any music on your PC you signed a EULA for the music player, and guess what, just like Steam they can revoke your right to use their software if you break the EULA. Unless you buy a special license for said software you are only leasing the use of any of this software.

 

So what was your point again :rolleyes:

 

That pretty much sums it up. I have a legit CD key, access to the game whenever I want, the games manual in a PDF, saved gas in my car, and I didn't purchase a worthless piece of plastic that would eventually get scratched and become even more worthless. Besides even if you own a hard copy you still have to obey the EULA, or your account will become useless, just like anyone who downloaded it from Steam without a hard copy.

 

Interesting thing about Origin though. People are claiming that EA games they own on Steam are now showing up on Origin awaiting download. Lame attempt to get people to use Origin over Steam.

[billcat479]

While I def. agree with the people that feel cheated by the license issue I am really tired to wading though the insults people get for otherwise valid replies.

 

I think the people that run this forum need to start cracking down on the insulting replies because it makes the forums a lot harder to use.

 

The issue about buying the license differs a lot over 3 main issues, I'm spending my money to own a copy, not to rent it. Spending money to use it as long as I want to because this is attached to freedom. Agree to this in all matters of what is deemed trading between 2 parties.

This should not be allowed and people if they feel cheated should get together and boycott the games that Steam is trying to put their interests ahead of the users. They are taking the time honored view that you give them free access to use the money you give them while your denied the same.

While the game may be playable there is no reason to expect this to continue after a time Steam feels the urge to pull the plug on the game. They have added a update I've heard that you can not play the game unless your on the Internet and have to go though steam to play it. I am not in favor of games that are tied to the internet. Sure most people have access to it but there may be a time when they can't afford to keep paying to connect. Most of the disagreements over this issue seem to be money related. I'm pretty poor, got hit by a car and am disabled so I have a lot of limits of what I can or can't do compared to others that have a good enough paying job to afford the internet. And people seem to differ on how valuable their money is.

 

People with a lot of money don't care that much but shouldn't insult others that place a high value on every penny they have because they don't make much and life is much harder and want their spent money to mean something more than a illusion that they are owning what they buy. This goes against the traditional buy and sell that has been in place for 1000's of years and subjugates our rights to own any product. It's not good for anyone to agree to this practice.

 

So now to license it and not own it, if you don't care fine, but to insult people that do care is not a good idea. Maybe people with a lot of money don't think about it enough or it's just not all that important.

From their stand point they are right and free to agree to them it's not a big deal other than they have the free choice to do so. It's their right to do this if they want..

It's chump change to them. I think though they should keep in mind that if we buy a game that is really good and some people keep good games around and like to throw them back on and play them after a few years. I'm like this. I have a few games that I like to break out and play every so often. But when you buy a product with such strings attached there will come a time you will no longer be able to use it. Because it's not that much money to some they either don't care or don't think things through to this point. If it's a don't care about money then you should not care if this applies to your car or home or even a artificial heart. You would gladly give up your rights to own anything. Just because it's cheap isn't the real point a lot of people are making, it's the principal of the time honored buy and sell tradition in a free world that isn't so free and getting less free as time goes on.

They are taking the Microsoft rule to own everything and get rich in 3 easy steps way of doing business. It's not a good or fair way to do business because you are not lending them the right to use your money as you see fit, it's only as they see fit and is not a equal trade. In fact your giving up your money for nothing in the long run and no one wants to see this kind of bad business spread. At least the people on the other side of the equation.

 

I wish there could be a honest meter attached to people that post so we could really tell that people are being honest and maybe a IQ meter as well. But try to answer this honestly

"Would you agree to Lease FOOD". You wouldn't actually own it and the store could come and take or press a button that would make it spoil away anytime they felt like it. Would you do this?

Would you do it with your car and your house and your pacemaker that keeps you alive? This is the same, just the amount of money is different and also the effect of how long you can live but this is just about a principal.

 

If you agree to one you would have to agree in part with these others.

It's like the Abortion issue, we like to think we draw lines of when something is alive and dead to make it agreeable but it's a illusion. We live by many illusions, so many you'd be surprised to know them all.

 

So the products are different but the idea of agreeing with this kind of change in the transfer of property has a valid point no matter if it's cheap or expensive. It's more about what your property value is and your freedom to use it as you see fit as long as your not copy and pirate because that is not right and has no meaning to the right to own what you pay for or actually trade for because buying and selling is trading value for value, not giving away a value for a product that has no value, for a product that may not work in one month and you give your rights away to equal value exchange.

This is the same as what land owners did to the serfs of old Europe. It was deplorable back then and is just as deplorable now.

[babis8142]

I guess we should just stop playing games. I mean since I don't own my game I should just give up playing it. Yeah that sounds about right.

[Godiam1]

Billcat

You say are saying that when you spend your money you want tofeel like you own it and not rent it. While that makes absolute sense and every probally agrees with that you should probally realize what you are buying before you purchase. At no point on the box or in the purchase is it stated that you are buying the game, but the back of the box states that you have to sign a licensing agreement and agree to the 'ssa' to use the material provided in the purchase, and as stated before in the EULA that you must agree to it clearly states that you have purchased a license to use the game and the data that it contains as long as you do not break any of their rules. So getting mad at Steam for revoking your acsees to the game after you broke the agreement is like getting mad at a sports arena for getting kicked out for punching another fan in both cases you broke an agreement you had with the company. So as long as you don't break the rules this won't be a problem.