Anarchism and anarcho-syndicalism

[Dragonspyre]

Note that in the SLIGHTEST predicament, people would freak out. If any sort of disaster was to occur, or a war for that matter, most people are stupid enough that they would scramble, and it's hard to maintain anarchy when the answer may require a hierarchy that is coordinating effort.

[Moveing]

Note that in the SLIGHTEST predicament, people would freak out. If any sort of disaster was to occur, or a war for that matter, most people are stupid enough that they would scramble, and it's hard to maintain anarchy when the answer may require a hierarchy that is coordinating effort.

 

Well, lets see. Do you have food stored? Something to cook without electricity? Have you Weapons to protect your kind and don't being forced under the hierarchy of the next best one who offers protection for obedients?

 

I have. Most of my friends have. Why? Because we are so stupid and don't know whats best for us?

 

No, because we are full growen man and can take responsibility for ourself and care for our family. So you can see. "Human don't know whats best for them" is stupid bullocks. I know which mobile phone fits the best for me so as other things for my need. Who else should better know than me? And i can take care, because i wasn't educated in this learned stupidity of helplessness by the governmental schools. You wanna seek for someone to blame? Take a look there. But don't you dare talking about humans messing everything up because you or your friends can't take care for themself. And this mindset is just around since a few decades. Now people don't store anymore even for winter.

 

 

Do you have preparation for the case you describe? For war and disaster and living without taking permanent care of him?

Edited February 25, 2012 by Moveing

[Dragonspyre]

Again, anarchy is only good in theory. Anarchy, just like communism, is built on the concept that everyone is actually competent enough to know how to work things properly. There are groups that would manage, but the majority of communities are not full of intellectuals, and would probably result in riots due to mass hysteria, panic, and idiocy. The smarter people would be overcome in these riots, because there are just too many screwballs who can't survive in an anarchy. The minority is smart, not the majority, and when the majority crumbles, the minority, too, will come crashing down.

[Moveing]

You don't awnsered my question which lead me to the conclusion that youself are on of those who can't prepare, can't take care of them selfe in case of LIGHTEST predicament but badmouthing about our hole species.

 

 

And ever heard of common sense? That a healthy minded human being knows he can't steal from another person, because its wrong and/or atleast he faces the consequences? This has nothing to do with "intelectuals".

[imperistan]

Note that in the SLIGHTEST predicament, people would freak out. If any sort of disaster was to occur, or a war for that matter, most people are stupid enough that they would scramble, and it's hard to maintain anarchy when the answer may require a hierarchy that is coordinating effort.

 

Considering people tend to fall apart during disasters anyway, this is a moot point. Its the aftermath where problems can occur, and the anarchy I've been describing would be able to deal with it. In fact, they'd be able to deal with it better due to how the economy would work.

 

The minority is smart, not the majority, and when the majority crumbles, the minority, too, will come crashing down.

 

Indeed. This is why if I had a choice, schooling would be the one thing I'd willingly pay the full tax amount for. Of course, that would be on the assumption that the education system (for the US at least) was completely overhauled and restructured to actually be beneficial to kids rather than test scores. The funneling into college also needs to stop I think.

 

And ever heard of common sense? That a healthy minded human being knows he can't steal from another person, because its wrong and/or atleast he faces the consequences? This has nothing to do with "intelectuals".

 

This.

[Dragonspyre]

You don't awnsered my question which lead me to the conclusion that youself are on of those who can't prepare, can't take care of them selfe in case of LIGHTEST predicament but badmouthing about our hole species.

 

 

And ever heard of common sense? That a healthy minded human being knows he can't steal from another person, because its wrong and/or atleast he faces the consequences? This has nothing to do with "intelectuals".

 

Your conclusion would be wrong. I've actually bothered spending time to chart out an intricate plan for living in a post apocalyptic world. In fact, with most household objects, you can make innumerable types of armaments and weapons. I know how to make mustard gas, CS gas, prussic acid, chloroform, gunpowder, and synthesis for numerous biological weapons for basic defense. I could make a firearm from metal, a lighter, and beer for a sidearm. I could make a mortar system from PVC pipe and a propane tank, a bazooka from a pipe and basic grenades combined with firecrackers, grenades from water bottles and black powder, Greek fire from a list of ingredients that (for safety) I will not list (All are common), etc. In fact, I could list several hundred other things, but text walls are no one's friend.

 

I know how to make full body armor from scrap metal (Or bulletproof armor with key rings and soda cans), and know how to avoid plague decently by using various methods of strategic dressing.

 

I know how to make alcohol, and would use it to fuel a Watt linkage engine, providing power. I know how to desalinize water, as well as gather rainwater, for liquid. I also know how to make food from pretty much anything. Trust me, I'm freakishly prepared.

 

What my point is: This is NOT something everyone would know. There are some people who can't even function as humans without extensive guidance, let alone survive in a world of absolute chaos. It takes ONE riot of idiots to cause widespread pandemonium. It takes ONE drop of rain to start a flood. Many humans are completely without basic survival skills, and would buckle under the pressure of anarchy. Anarchy is freedom, yes. But freedom is something requiring maturity of mind to handle, a maturity too many lack. Those many would be going every man for himself, and as a result, hell would break loose everywhere as people try to stop the chaos. It takes ONE disaster to make an anarchy shatter. Just ONE.

[Moveing]

, you can make innumerable types of armaments and weapons

This isn't fallout -3, if you aren't prepared already you would be freaked up. This isn't about A-Team Fantasies, this is serios. Do you have some KNO3, Sulfur and cole stored already? Where do you think you will get that in case of an predicament. Wanna collect your piss for a year to gain niter?

This isn't about theory, this is about hardware preparedness. And even if you are full geared already, so why do you badmouthing our species while you are on of the examples against your own theorie of stupid, dependent humans? Frustration?

 

There are still enough of us to let our species survive, this is what matters.

If you see ever some kind of plagure spreading around in a bunny colonie, they are acting every similar to humans. Many of them die because, whatever, they don't left the colony. But many others survive, because they think different than the majority.

And when you say "many humans are without any survival skills", you should reminde yourself that this is a one-tenth of a percent of the humans living on earth. Hell my parents which living during and after the war time know more about survival in the wilderness than i could ever gain from books, trainers and films.

Edited February 26, 2012 by Moveing

[Marxist ßastard]

I could make... a bazooka from a pipe and basic grenades

If you want, I can teach you how to make a bomb out of a toilet paper roll and a stick of dynamite.

[Dragonspyre]

, you can make innumerable types of armaments and weapons

This isn't fallout -3, if you aren't prepared already you would be freaked up. This isn't about A-Team Fantasies, this is serios. Do you have some KNO3, Sulfur and cole stored already? Where do you think you will get that in case of an predicament. Wanna collect your piss for a year to gain niter?

This isn't about theory, this is about hardware preparedness. And even if you are full geared already, so why do you badmouthing our species while you are on of the examples against your own theorie of stupid, dependent humans? Frustration?

 

There are still enough of us to let our species survive, this is what matters.

If you see ever some kind of plagure spreading around in a bunny colonie, they are acting every similar to humans. Many of them die because, whatever, they don't left the colony. But many others survive, because they think different than the majority.

And when you say "many humans are without any survival skills", you should reminde yourself that this is a one-tenth of a percent of the humans living on earth. Hell my parents which living during and after the war time know more about survival in the wilderness than i could ever gain from books, trainers and films.

 

1. I never said it was FO3. And yes, I was being serious. Weapons are the first step to gaining control, stability, and power. In anarchy, rank is nonexistent, so whoever has the most power in terms of resources will last the longest.

2. There are approximately 7 billion people on Earth, and 300 million in my country alone. You're kidding yourself if you think all 7 billion people on Earth are completely competent people. Well over a billion is invalids alone, and similar numbers for those without the needed skills. 2 billion is enough to spark a riot.

3. If you've seen my country, you'd know what I mean when I say most people have lost any and all instinct.

4. Notice how badly humans react to plague. 75 million were killed by the Black Death and 20 million in the 1920 Spanish Influenza.

5. 1/10th of Earth's population is 700 million people. Imagine a riot with 700 million people, and then tell me how easy it would be to get that in control with no hierarchy, on a global scale, no less.

 

Oh, and Marx, I'll pass.

[imperistan]

1. I never said it was FO3. And yes, I was being serious. Weapons are the first step to gaining control, stability, and power. In anarchy, rank is nonexistent, so whoever has the most power in terms of resources will last the longest.

2. There are approximately 7 billion people on Earth, and 300 million in my country alone. You're kidding yourself if you think all 7 billion people on Earth are completely competent people. Well over a billion is invalids alone, and similar numbers for those without the needed skills. 2 billion is enough to spark a riot.

3. If you've seen my country, you'd know what I mean when I say most people have lost any and all instinct.

4. Notice how badly humans react to plague. 75 million were killed by the Black Death and 20 million in the 1920 Spanish Influenza.

5. 1/10th of Earth's population is 700 million people. Imagine a riot with 700 million people, and then tell me how easy it would be to get that in control with no hierarchy, on a global scale, no less.

 

1. You are correct, presuming we're talking about chaotic anarchy. Which we're not.

 

2. No one is seriously suggesting that 7 billion people could function in chaotic anarchy very much less anarchism.

 

3. Doesn't mean they couldn't be taught. Those that refuse to learn would die out regardless.

 

4. The Black Death devastated because of ignorance at the time. The Spanish Flu, because of how it worked as a virus and the fact that no one could really have done much to stop it anyway at the time. This would not be as large of an issue for a more modern and small population.

 

5. Again, no one's suggesting that's feasible, at least not all at once. A 700 million population anarchy would have to be built up to that level, and even then, it doesn't have to be.

 

Super high population is not a necessary thing for any society. Its not even something societies shoot for, but just a result of its success.