How many plugins can Oblivion engine handle?

[DrakeTheDragon]

The game doesn't know all these Bash things nor does it care. It only cares whether a plugin is active or not. It depends on what state in Wrye Bash means what actual state of activation, if the game will count it or not. Outside of Wrye Bash those "merged" or "included" or "virtually active" states don't even exist anymore. The hardcoded limit is 255, because the hexadecimal 2-byte mod-index can't exceed 00 - FF (=255). If you want to check for sure how many plugins are active, you can always fire up the otherwise-useless Data Files manager of the original loader and start counting. Don't know if there isn't even some fancy tricks going on in the plugin list instead with those additional states of active though, so maybe it's still totally useless. :ermm:

[Nephenee13]

Does the esp count number include those eps files marked purple - imported eps files?

 

No. Thats the entire point of merging/importing mods into the bashed patch.

 

Take a look at my load order, and count the number of entries, it should be well past 255.

 

Only the entries with a 2 digit Alphanumeric Code next to them are actually seen by Oblivion.

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.34]
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Harvest[Containers].esm
05  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esm
06  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esm
07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]
09  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0A  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.1.8]
0B  CM Partners.esm
0C  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.2]
0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]
0E  UOPS Additional Changes.esp
0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
11  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
12  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]
**  Loading Screens - Vanilla No Text.esp
13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.34]
14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.34]
15  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.34]
16  WindowLightingSystem.esp
17  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
**  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
18  FlyingCameraMod.esp  [Version 1.3]
19  ClothingIsArmor.esp
1A  More Effective Enchantments.esp
1B  More Effective Enchantments SI.esp
1C  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
1D  Camping.esp
1E  Water Nymphs.esp
1F  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
20  BookTrackerOBSE.esp
21  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
22  FormID Finder4.esp
23  Get Wet.esp
24  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
25  Streamline 3.1.esp
26  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
27  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
28  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
29  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]
2A  DLCHorseArmor.esp
2B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
2C  DLCOrrery.esp
2D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
2E  DLCVileLair.esp
2F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
30  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
31  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
32  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp
33  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
34  VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
35  Black Rock Shooter.esp
36  CB Elegant Dress.esp
37  Exnem Pekka Pumps.esp
38  Gizmodian - Shell of the Artifice.esp
39  Growlfs Animated Hair.esp
3A  HentaiSeraphimArmour.esp
3B  leia.esp
++  LEM Retextured Glass Weapons.esp
3C  MakotoOutfit.esp
3D  Ryk_Sandals_RHH.esp
3E  Sinnocence.esp
3F  Slaveknight armor.esp
40  Throne Armor.esp
41  Thunderbird Armor.esp
42  RFHighHeels HGEC Vipcxj.esp
43  BisSP_RHH_2.esp
44  ShadderHeelsSeasonOne.esp
45  MH Harvest Melan Armors.esp
46  DMRA BBB Skimpy Shivering Royalty.esp
47  Birdy.esp
48  Bloodrayne Armor.esp
49  Diva.esp
++  dmra_bbb_armamentarium.esp
++  DMRA BBB Better Cities.esp
4A  DMRA BBB Skimpy Emperor Robe.esp
4B  Neo's Morrigan.esp
4C  R18PN - Mina Armor.esp
4D  Sexy Ghost Armor.esp
4E  GizmodianSorceress.esp
4F  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]
50  DLCThievesDen.esp
51  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp
52  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
53  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
54  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
55  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]
56  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]
57  Harvest[Containers].esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla - Ore ReSpawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
58  FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.4]
59  EM_CompInnsleeping.esp  [Version 0.9]
5A  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]
**  dmra_bbb_artifacts.esp
5B  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp  [Version 2.01]
5C  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 4.71]
++  Better Benirus Manor - SYS Patch.esp
5D  DMwardropemerged.esp
5E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
5F  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
**  Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
60  Fall Hair Wig Shop - EV.esp
61  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.6]
62  LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp  [Version 2.5]
63  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4.1]
64  Treasure Maps complete compilation-UL edition.esp  [Version 1.2]
65  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
66  Apachii_Wigs_MaleFemale.esp
67  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
68  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
69  DLCFrostcrag.esp
6A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
6B  Knights.esp  [Version modified]
++  Nude Humanlike Spriggan.esp
**  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
++  DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp
**  Knights Vwalk.esp
6C  More Effective Enchantments Knights.esp
6D  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]
6E  MTCExpandedVillages.esp
6F  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.3]
70  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.43]
71  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.0]
72  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Oblivifall - Female Armors.esp
73  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.10]
**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp
++  MTCVillages-FaregylPatch.esp
74  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]
**  Feldscar Vwalk.esp
75  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0]
**  Gottshaw Village Vwalk.esp
76  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
77  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
**  Reedstand Vwalk.esp
78  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
**  Urasek Vwalk.esp
79  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]
**  Vergayun Vwalk.esp
7A  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
7B  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
7C  xulTheHeath.esp
7D  xulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
7E  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
7F  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
80  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]
**  xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
81  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
82  UL Beaches of Cyrodiil - DMwardrobe patch.esp
83  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.4]
**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp
84  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
85  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
86  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
87  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
88  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
89  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
8A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
**  xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp
8B  xulPantherRiver.esp
8C  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
8D  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp
8E  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]
**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp
8F  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
90  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
91  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
92  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp
93  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp
94  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
++  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
++  MTCExpandedVillages-UniqueLandscapes patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
95  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]
**  xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp
96  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
97  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
98  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]
**  xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp
++  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.3]
++  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.2]
99  West Roads.esp
++  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Kvatch Rebuilt West Roads Patch.esp
9A  BrinaCrossVillage.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
**  BrinaCrossVillage Vwalk.esp
9B  BrinaCrossVillage -- COBL.esp
9C  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
**  Frostcrag Village Vwalk.esp
9D  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
**  Sutch Village Vwalk.esp
++  LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
9E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
9F  Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp  [Version 1.2.5]
++  CompanionHorseSupportFIX forCMPartners.esp
A0  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]
A1  DS Portable Sorters.esp  [Version 1.3]
A2  DS Storage Sacks.esp  [Version 1.3]
A3  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]
A4  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
++  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
A5  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.3]
A6  Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp  [Version 1.3]
A7  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 5.9]
A8  Basic Personal Hygiene.esp  [Version 1.6]
A9  Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
AA  DS Summon Luggage.esp
AB  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
AC  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]
AD  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]
AE  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]
AF  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]
B0  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
B1  ResetEmotionAfterCombat.esp
B2  Unequip Broken Armor.esp  [Version 2.8.2]
B3  Oblivion XP.esp
B4  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp  [Version 2.0]
B5  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
B6  CTAddPose_OTpair2.esp
B7  CTAddPose_Pinups.esp
B8  CTAddPose_Pinups_2.esp
B9  SeductiveIdlesgloomfrostcustom.esp
BA  actors_in_charge.esp
BB  shinyEmotions.esp
**  Specialanims.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]
BC  CM Partners.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
**  IDKRRR_C_race.esp
**  IDKRRR_C_race_closed_mouth_version.esp
BD  Chocolate Elves.esp
**  CM Partners Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners NPC NE Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners More NPCs NE Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp
**  CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp
BE  cmChocolates.esp
BF  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]
C0  1em_Vilja_Neck_Seam_Concealer.esp
C1  1em_Vilja_as_Chocolate_Elf.esp
++  Vsleepinjail.esp
C2  CompanionMaster.esp
C3  companion_chocolate.esp
C4  Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp
++  DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp
C5  CWRaceFix.esp
++  MTCExpandedVillages-Colourwheels Sexy Overhaul Patch.esp
C6  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
C7  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
C8  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]
++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]
C9  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 3.21.]
CA  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.7]
CB  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.8]
**  Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp
++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.9.5]
CC  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]
CD  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]
++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]
CE  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]
++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
CF  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Full.esp  [Version 1.0]
D0  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
++  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
**  Sensual Walks.esp
**  Sensual Walks SI.esp
**  Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp
++  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
++  Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.34]
++  Ear Equip.esp
D1  xeoex.esp
++  The Ayleid Steps - L World.esp
++  LetThePeopleDrink L World.esp
++  Knights L World.esp
++  DLCThievesDen L World.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes L World.esp
++  DLCBattlehornCastle L World.esp
++  DLCOrrery L World.esp
++  DLCMehrunesRazor L World.esp
++  DLC VileLair L World.esp
++  Vergayun L World.esp
++  Urasek L World.esp
++  xulTheEasternPeaks L World.esp
++  xulStendarrValley L World.esp
++  xulSnowdale L World.esp
++  xulSkingradOutskirts L World.esp
++  xulRollingHills_EV L World.esp
++  xulImperialIsle L World.esp
++  xulCliffsOfAnvil L World.esp
++  xulChorrolHinterland L World.esp
++  xulBrenaRiverRavine L World.esp
++  xulBravilBarrowfields L World.esp
++  xulBlackwoodForest L World.esp
++  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast L World.esp
++  xulAspenWood L World.esp
++  xulAncientRedwoods L World.esp
++  Frostcrag L World.esp
++  Frostcrag Village L World.esp
++  Sutch L World.esp
++  Gottshaw L World.esp
++  Reedstand L World.esp
++  Molapi L World.esp
++  Feldscar L World.esp
++  Roads + Bridges L World.esp
++  Faregyl L World.esp
++  Brina Cross L World.esp
++  Oblivifall Knights - L World 2.esp
++  Oblivifall - L World.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt L World ESP.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt L World ESM.esp
++  Better Imperial Cirty L World 5-1-5.esp
++  Colourwheel L World.esp
++  Alternative Beginnings Kvatch L World.esp
++  Alternative Beginnings L World.esp
++  Artifacts L World.esp
++  Vilja L World.esp
++  Better Cities L World 5-1-5.esp
**  xeoex Vwalk.esp
++  XeoRaceModifications.esp
++  DMWardrobe L World.esp
++  MTCExpanded Villages L World.esp
D2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
D3  Pregnant Body Testing.esp
D4  TestingHallLightIncrease2.esp
D5  Telorias Chest.esp

 

[TheBlackKitsune951]

I can only get 180 mods working any higher than that the intro screen can't load

 

[DrakeTheDragon]

I can only get 180 mods working any higher than that the intro screen can't load

 

Is it always with the same plugin added last before this happens or does it happen with every 180th plugin you add last?

I'm asking because "the intro screen can't load" usually rather calls for a "missing master" error, as in you're trying to load a plugin that is dependent on another one, which you don't have.

 

But, there's also another limit to keep in mind here in fact. I can't remember the details too vividly anymore, but the number of 'files' inside the data folder (the root folder, not any subfolders), ESP, ESM, BSA, etc., for some reason is also limited and will cause issues when exceeded.

[bben46]

There was an explanation on Oblivion looking at every plug in in the data folder whether it was used or not a long time ago on the Beth forums. And Wrye actually created the ghost category in Wrye Bash to fix that by ghosting (making them invisible to the Oblivion loader) any unused mods found in your data folder. The alternative is to move any unused mods out of the data folder - make a new folder OUTSIDE of the data ( making it a sub folder won't do any good) and copy your unused mods into it.

 

BTW, the number was over 400, and less than 500 but I don't remember any exact number being mentioned.