4cednovel Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) You use the unique NPC's mod. Keep the unique npc .esp enabled, but remove the Unique Npcs - Textures.ba from your data folder and see if you can fast travel into the institute. If you still CTD while fast traveling, place the textures files back into your data and remove the Unique NPCs - Main.ba from your data folder and try to fast travel into the institute. If you can fast travel into the institute fine with main.ba removed, but the textures.ba installed, then it might be 2 files packed into main.ba folder causing the crashes, BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil1.nif and BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil2.nif. If so, you need to unpack main.ba and remove those 2 files, (possibly copy and rename BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil3.nif twice to replace the nifs you just deleted just for good measure)and repack it. That highlight is because I copy/pasted my same response. Edited July 31, 2017 by 4cednovel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave11517 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) You use the unique NPC's mod. Keep the unique npc .esp enabled, but remove the Unique Npcs - Textures.ba from your data folder and see if you can fast travel into the institute. If you still CTD while fast traveling, place the textures files back into your data and remove the Unique NPCs - Main.ba from your data folder and try to fast travel into the institute. If you can fast travel into the institute fine with main.ba removed, but the textures.ba installed, then it might be 2 files packed into main.ba folder causing the crashes, BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil1.nif and BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil2.nif. If so, you need to unpack main.ba and remove those 2 files, (possibly copy and rename BaseFemaleBodyRustDevil3.nif twice to replace the nifs you just deleted just for good measure)and repack it. That highlight is because I copy/pasted my same response.Why do you suspect this is a base body issue? I'm not arguing or disagreeing, just curious. I'm sure @Thirdstorm would be aware of this issue if it is one? EDIT: found it in the mod thread... I see... hmm... Reading the convo now Edited July 31, 2017 by JustDave11517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyZ0G Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) thanks, I'll remember that, but I don't think UNPC had anything to do with it.my save file was corrupted in vault 111, before leaving the vault at the start of the game.I'm just surprised that I got over 150 hours of play on a corrupted save and at least 50 of those hours were after I found that I couldn't load a save within the institute, but could still fast travel in and out. I also found out that if I deleted my saves I could get into the Institute again, but then I couldn't leave as any load screens after that point CTD. new load order seems ok and I have checked saves for corruption and they seem ok too edit to add: had a read of the mod page bug thread and UNPC was not the problem for me.I could fast travel everywhere, including Far Harbor and Nuka World.I've also had loads of running battles with gangs of Rust Devils all over Boston and not had any problems. it is only the Institute that I had problems with and my save was definitely corrupted beyond repair.. Edited July 31, 2017 by mighty zog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave11517 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) After reading through The Mod Page Posts and Bugs (page2, very bottom) It looks like thirdstorm thinks its either a corrupt textures download (I dont have any NPC "issues" aside from the red glowing foot glitch occasionally) Or a load order issue. here a screenshot from Mikazu, but my game does something very similar on an female NPC in sanctuary named "bottlecap" ... its ALWAYS her when it does occur. http://imgur.com/a/1u5pU being that I don't suspect a bad texture download; would someone with more experience than myself take a closer look at my Load order and possibly help me get back into the institute? Fallout4.esm=1DLCRobot.esm=1DLCworkshop01.esm=1DLCCoast.esm=1DLCworkshop02.esm=1DLCworkshop03.esm=1DLCNukaWorld.esm=1Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1ArmorKeywords.esm=1SimSettlements.esm=1TrueStormsFO4.esm=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp=1ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPass.esp=1dD-Enhanced Blood.esp=1Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp=1Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1Animated Drinking.esp=1AA Better Companions - No Conflicts.esp=1More Smarter Companions Mod.esp=1Dogmeat behavior reflagged.esp=1Pet - Call -Feed Dogmeat.esp=1CompanionsGoHome_A.esp=1EFF.esp=1BrighterSettlementLights.esp=1Give Me That Bottle.esp=1Passthrough.esp=1DarkerNights.esp=1DarkerNightsDetection.esp=1Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1FAR.esp=1RainofBrassPetals.esp=1LongRangeBulletHoles.esp=1NightPerson_NoNightVision-FarHarbor.esp=1Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp=1Grasslands - Unhealthy.esp=1ITPCC.esp=1AtomCatGarage.esp=1CrimeTown.esp=1DeadAirplane.esp=1Diamond City Enhanced.esp=1Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp=1PlaneWreck.esp=1TrainBar.esp=1BTInteriors_Project.esp=1ImmersiveVendors.esp=1CBBE.esp=1Unique NPCs.esp=1BetterSettlers.esp=1Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1KSHairdos.esp=1BS NS BFS Merged Patch.esp=0BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp=0BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp=1BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1FO4 NPCs Travel.esp=1SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp=1dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp=1DeadBodyCollision.esp=1Ammo.esp=1chem redux.esp=1Realistic Roads 2.0 Black.esp=1UniquePlayer.esp=1UniqueFollowers.esp=1keke-bu All-in-one Pack_1.1.7.esp=1THBrows.esp=1LovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.esp=1LovingCait.esp=1GhastlyHancock.esp=1Edit_Hancock.esp=1Unique NPCs-LMSE Equipment.esp=1Unique NPCs-Stm_DiamondCity.esp=1Mama Murphy blind fresh eyebr..esp=1Mama Murphys Chair Redone.esp=1Pretty Scarlett.esp=1RaiderOverhaul.esp=1ImmersiveGenericDialogues.esp=1BetterModDescriptions.esp=13dscopes.esp=13dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp=13dscopes-framework.esp=13dscopes-FarHarbor.esp=13dscopes-NukaWorld.esp=1K9TacticalHarness.esp=1NukaRadBans.esp=1WBO.esp=1PAMS.esp=1 Edited July 31, 2017 by JustDave11517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4cednovel Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 After reading through The Mod Page Posts and Bugs (page2, very bottom) It looks like thirdstorm thinks its either a corrupt textures download (I dont have any NPC "issues" aside from the red glowing foot glitch occasionally) Or a load order issue. here a screenshot from Mikazu, but my game does something very similar on an female NPC in sanctuary named "bottlecap" ... its ALWAYS her when it does occur. http://imgur.com/a/1u5pU being that I don't suspect a bad texture download; would someone with more experience than myself take a closer look at my Load order and possibly help me get back into the institute? Fallout4.esm=1DLCRobot.esm=1DLCworkshop01.esm=1DLCCoast.esm=1DLCworkshop02.esm=1DLCworkshop03.esm=1DLCNukaWorld.esm=1Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1ArmorKeywords.esm=1SimSettlements.esm=1TrueStormsFO4.esm=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp=1ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPass.esp=1dD-Enhanced Blood.esp=1Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp=1Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1Animated Drinking.esp=1AA Better Companions - No Conflicts.esp=1More Smarter Companions Mod.esp=1Dogmeat behavior reflagged.esp=1Pet - Call -Feed Dogmeat.esp=1CompanionsGoHome_A.esp=1EFF.esp=1BrighterSettlementLights.esp=1Give Me That Bottle.esp=1Passthrough.esp=1DarkerNights.esp=1DarkerNightsDetection.esp=1Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1FAR.esp=1RainofBrassPetals.esp=1LongRangeBulletHoles.esp=1NightPerson_NoNightVision-FarHarbor.esp=1Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp=1Grasslands - Unhealthy.esp=1ITPCC.esp=1AtomCatGarage.esp=1CrimeTown.esp=1DeadAirplane.esp=1Diamond City Enhanced.esp=1Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp=1PlaneWreck.esp=1TrainBar.esp=1BTInteriors_Project.esp=1ImmersiveVendors.esp=1CBBE.esp=1Unique NPCs.esp=1BetterSettlers.esp=1Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1KSHairdos.esp=1BS NS BFS Merged Patch.esp=0BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp=0BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp=1BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1FO4 NPCs Travel.esp=1SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp=1dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp=1DeadBodyCollision.esp=1Ammo.esp=1chem redux.esp=1Realistic Roads 2.0 Black.esp=1UniquePlayer.esp=1UniqueFollowers.esp=1keke-bu All-in-one Pack_1.1.7.esp=1THBrows.esp=1LovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.esp=1LovingCait.esp=1GhastlyHancock.esp=1Edit_Hancock.esp=1Unique NPCs-LMSE Equipment.esp=1Unique NPCs-Stm_DiamondCity.esp=1Mama Murphy blind fresh eyebr..esp=1Mama Murphys Chair Redone.esp=1Pretty Scarlett.esp=1RaiderOverhaul.esp=1ImmersiveGenericDialogues.esp=1BetterModDescriptions.esp=13dscopes.esp=13dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp=13dscopes-framework.esp=13dscopes-FarHarbor.esp=13dscopes-NukaWorld.esp=1K9TacticalHarness.esp=1NukaRadBans.esp=1WBO.esp=1PAMS.esp=1 You might want to try out the posted solutions whether it be to download the texture pack again or remove the main.ba just to eliminate those as the possible issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyZ0G Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 @JustDave try Fallrim Tools and see if your save is corrupt or has a rogue script that is causing problems. if it is a script or other fixable problem, great, you can fix it.if it is clean, then there is another problem, possibly Unique NPCs.if it is corrupted and won't load then it is over for that save, but at least you will no where you stand and won't need to perform surgery on Ba2 files. my old game corrupted before I left vault 111.my current save is not corrupt and I have made no changes to UNPC, so I don't think there is a connection here. also I could fast-travel to other places, which should cause crashes if it is the Ba2 or those nifs causing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave11517 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 You might want to try out the posted solutions whether it be to download the texture pack again or remove the main.ba just to eliminate those as the possible issue. I'll give it a go and fresh download everything related to this mod this afternoon. and see where it get me first. thank you. But I think I'll save main.ba surgery as a last resort. it just seems the most complicated. the only thing I've ever done is make compatibility patches for Unique followers, and that was MUCH easier then deleting files from a .ba pack... eek. I just don't want to mess it up, I've got a LOT of hours in this playthrough so far (its my first time playing the game as a whole)... so I would HATE to lose it to something stupid I did by mistake as a result of not knowing what I'm doing and moving things around that I dont understand. @JustDave try Fallrim Tools and see if your save is corrupt or has a rogue script that is causing problems. if it is a script or other fixable problem, great, you can fix it.if it is clean, then there is another problem, possibly Unique NPCs.if it is corrupted and won't load then it is over for that save, but at least you will no where you stand and won't need to perform surgery on Ba2 files. my old game corrupted before I left vault 111.my current save is not corrupt and I have made no changes to UNPC, so I don't think there is a connection here. also I could fast-travel to other places, which should cause crashes if it is the Ba2 or those nifs causing the problem. I hate to download tools just for one reason. and for me it would be to checked saved files. but I'll give this a go if my re download doesn't magically solve anything. I'll keep the thread up to date. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyZ0G Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 fallrim tools can let you know which mod(s) is causing scripts to go feral, and it can stop the script running to rescue a save. you can also check your saves occasionally to see if they have become corrupted after adding or removing a mod or completing a quest, fast traveling or making vegetable starch. I think my problem was that I didn't sort the masters of mods that had multiple masters listed in the wrong order. which is why my save was broken at the start.use wrye bash/flash to find out which mods need the masters sorted and then use FO4Edit to sort them. it doesn't take long and is definitely quicker than solving problems later (especially as you will probably need to sort the masters anyway after hours of trying other options) and you get to play the game instead of fixing it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4cednovel Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Zog's save file was most likely corrupt since it couldn't even load into Farim tools. I could fast travel everywhere fine except into the institute. You also don't have to unpack the main.ba file until you know it's for sure that its causing the issue. Troubleshooting the texture and main.ba is just as simple as cut/paste them different location temporarily to see if you can load into the institute. If it turns out the the main.ba is the issue, just make a copy of the main.ba file before you unpack it, so you always have a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave11517 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 fallrim tools can let you know which mod(s) is causing scripts to go feral, and it can stop the script running to rescue a save. you can also check your saves occasionally to see if they have become corrupted after adding or removing a mod or completing a quest, fast traveling or making vegetable starch. I think my problem was that I didn't sort the masters of mods that had multiple masters listed in the wrong order. which is why my save was broken at the start.use wrye bash/flash to find out which mods need the masters sorted and then use FO4Edit to sort them. it doesn't take long and is definitely quicker than solving problems later (especially as you will probably need to sort the masters anyway after hours of trying other options) and you get to play the game instead of fixing it :D I'm all for playing the game instead of fixing it! But I'll need JAVA on my gaming pc just to run this. Its not a big deal. just trying to keep it clean of otherwise useless things. ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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