CTD entering the Bannered Mare

[manchuligans]

Ok, I've been having these problems:

 

 

Random CTDs in the wilderness.

 

CTD entering the Whiterun exterior cell.

 

CTD entering the Whiterun cell closer to where the fast travel cart waits.

 

CTD entering the Whiterun gates

 

and last but not least,

 

CTD entering the Bannered Mare.

 

 

 

I'm using Realvision ENB, with correct ENB files.

 

I've implemented all the techniques in the Skyrim Stability and Performance guide, including ini tweaks for skyrim, skyrim prefs, and enb, and helping software like cleanmem and unpark cores. Ran the enb VRAM tool and set my ini accordingly.

 

I'm using cleaned vanilla game masters.

 

I replaced my texture mods with their performance versions.

 

I've optimized my textures and installed the optimized vanilla HD texture mod from Nexus.

 

I installed:

 

SKSE Memory Fix

Crash Fixes

Safety Load (it's supposed to be unnecessary now, but I like to have it around)

Load Game CTD Fix

FISS

 

I've checked my papyrus error log, and removed a mining mod which I think caused CTDs whenever I entered a cell with an ore deposit, because it couldn't assign scripts to the ore deposits or actors using them. This seems to have eliminated the CTD entering Whiterun and the random wilderness crashes. Two down.

 

I started eliminating mods mentioned in the papyrus log before the game crashed. I ended up taking out a lot of mods I've been using successfully for a long time, like FNIS Sexy Move. The papyrus log stopped showing crash errors, it would just show VM freeze, Save Game, VM Thawing and VM Thawing was the last thing in the log. (I would save before trying to enter a trouble spot).

 

I eliminated Skyrim Unbound and went back to Live Another Life, which I've used successfully for a long time.

 

With every change, I run LOOT then start a new game to test.

 

I stopped bothering to make a TESVedit merge and a bashed patch, because I played successfully without them for many months, and in this current issue they didn't seem to be making a difference.

 

I verified my game cache earlier in the process, but now I'm reinstalling the vanilla game in case there was a corrupted file in there somewhere.

 

My framerate is capped by ENB at 58, and it would vary between the mid 50s when scampering through the forest, then dip down into the 40s for Riverwood, then back to 50s, then down to 40s for the giant battle near Whiterun, then back to 50s approaching the Whiterun city gate.

 

In my last few tests I've been able to get through the Whiterun city gate, so probably three down.

 

The Bannered Mare is the last holdout.

 

 

The mods I have which could be affecting the Bannered Mare are:

 

Immersive Wenches

Evittalex Retouched NPCs

The Ordinary Women

Decent Women

Bijin Wives, Warmaidens, and NPCs, and the customizer mods for them.

Inconsequential NPCs

SkySight Skins Ultra HD Male Textures

aMidianborn Book of Silence Textures

Capri follower

Promise follower

Skyrim Tanker Neisa follower and her outfit pack

Onean follower

(I really don't think its the followers because I've used Capri and Promise before, and entered the Bannered Mare successfully with Neisa and Onean during a stripped down mod by mod troubleshooting session, but anything's possible, especially when modding skyrim)

Follower Commentary Overhaul

Ethereal Elven Overhaul

Homaii Wine in Tankards Animobjects and Clutter

Whiterun Vram Texture Mod

Realistic Inns and Room Rental

Book Covers Skyrim

Sober Soldier

iNeed

Be a Milk Drinker

Unique Booze Bottles

BRG the Gourmet

Sleep Tight

Coins of Tamriel

Herbal Tea

Fully Animated Meals and Potions

Tavern Games

 

 

Okay, vanilla is reinstalled, here's my load order from LOOT:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

7 7 ApachiiHair.esm

8 8 ApachiiHairFemales.esm

9 9 ApachiiHairMales.esm

10 a SGHairPackBase.esm

11 b EFFCore.esm

12 c hdtHighHeel.esm

13 d Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm

14 e JSwords.esm

15 f Havok Breast Physic.esm

16 10 VHVP.esm

17 11 SOTGenesisMod.esp

18 12 FISS.esp

19 13 AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp

20 14 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

21 15 BFSEffects.esp

22 16 Sit Anywhere.esp

23 17 Skyrim Bigger Trees Full.esp

24 18 Paralyze.esp

25 19 FNIS.esp

26 1a GoToBed.esp

27 1b Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp

28 1c RealisticRoomRental.esp

29 1d Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

30 1e LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

31 1f TR HD no grass no trees.esp

32 20 Moss Rocks - Legendary.esp

33 21 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

34 22 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp

35 23 Clothing+JewelryPack1.esp

36 24 Resistance Restrictions Removed.esp

37 25 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

38 26 Coins of Tamriel V2 Legendary Edition.esp

39 27 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esp

40 28 FAMP2.esp

41 29 Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp

42 2a Genesis Watchtowers Reborn.esp

43 2b FPI Gallery.esp

44 2c KS Hairdo's.esp

45 2d Evittalex's Retouched NPCs of Skyrim.esp

46 2e ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

47 2f DW Enemies and Wanderers.esp

48 30 RaceMenu.esp

49 31 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

50 32 Blood and Sand - IMPERIAL & REDGUARD PRESETS by FastestDog - CUSTOM TONES.esp

51 33 Bretonnia - BRETON PRESETS 1-10 by FastestDog.esp

52 34 Children of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 1-10.esp

53 35 navetsea female face preset.esp

54 36 Brows.esp

55 37 Beards.esp

56 38 FreckleMania.esp

57 39 AK_RM_Pubic_Styles_Superhairy.esp

58 3a SGHairPackAIO.esp

59 3b HairCollection1.esp

60 3c DraugrSkirts_Havok.esp

61 3d Omegared99-GalleryOfArmor.esp

62 3e HDT TestSkirts.esp

63 3f Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

64 40 HentaisJamellaArmor.esp

65 41 KS Jewelry.esp

66 42 OCR-Fixes.esp

67 43 Babette.esp

68 44 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

69 45 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

70 46 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp

71 47 OBIS.esp

72 48 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - Deep Immersion.esp

73 49 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

74 4a FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

75 4b Dr_Bandolier.esp

76 4c Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

77 4d aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

78 4e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

79 4f Combo1.esp

80 50 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

81 51 Immersive Weapons.esp

82 52 No OGA for females.esp

83 53 DW Commoners.esp

84 54 EFFDialogue.esp

85 55 Cloaks.esp

86 56 Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp

87 57 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

88 58 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp

89 59 milklegendary.esp

90 5a SkyfallEstateBuildable.esp

91 5b Immersive Wenches.esp

92 5c Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim City Edition - Merged - Deep Immersion.esp

93 5d JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

94 5e bm_SimpleAction.esp

95 5f Dead Body Collision.esp

96 60 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

97 61 HHoS Ancient Shrine DI.esp

98 62 Immersive Patrols II.esp

99 63 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp

100 64 Crossroads Inn.esp

101 65 TheSoberSoldiersSupply.esp

102 66 BRG The Gourmet.esp

103 67 The Ordinary Women.esp

104 68 Bijin Wives.esp

105 69 Bijin Warmaidens.esp

106 6a Bijin NPCs.esp

107 6b OBISDB.esp

108 6c Children of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 11-20.esp

109 6d Immersive Wenches RRR-patch.esp

110 6e Immersive Wenches -KS hairs- Patch.esp

112 70 Promise.esp

113 71 RemakeSkirt.esp

114 72 hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp

115 73 Immersive Armors for NPC's Revisited DG.esp

116 74 imp_helm_legend.esp

117 75 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp

118 76 1nivWICCloaks.esp

119 77 Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

120 78 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

121 79 OBISCloaks&IA7.esp

122 7a AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp

123 7b Draugr Marauder Light Armors combined.esp

124 7c Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp

125 7d Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp

126 7e Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp

127 7f AncientDraugr.esp

128 80 ATSsandals.esp

129 81 CiriOutfit.esp

130 82 Egyptsibyl.esp

131 83 Fur Collar.esp

132 84 Priestess of Dibella.esp

133 85 sb_IronArmor.esp

134 86 LadyJewelBikiniSet.esp

135 87 Notverigud Nordic Carved Bikini.esp

136 88 Pauldrons.esp

137 89 SexyImperialGeneralArmor.esp

138 8a aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

139 8b Ghosu - Weapon Pack 1.esp

140 8c Billyro's Weapons.esp

141 8d TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp

142 8e HHoS Subterranean Hot Spring DI.esp

143 8f TCOSS.esp

144 90 bobsarmory.esp

145 91 Svs Collection Jewelry.esp

146 92 Follower Neisa.esp

147 93 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

148 94 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

149 95 Populated Imperials Stormcloaks Battles.esp

150 96 PatchLC-RRR.esp

151 97 RegentSword.esp

152 98 iNeed.esp

153 99 FNISspells.esp

154 9a Patch4iNeedMilkDrLegendary.esp

155 9b Dark Leere Armor.esp

156 9c A Month of Internet Depravity Weapon Pack.esp

157 9d HerbalTea.esp

158 9e Second Month of Internet Deprivation.esp

159 9f EbonforgedKhopesh.esp

160 a0 EbonforgedKhukri.esp

161 a1 EbonforgedMace.esp

162 a2 EbonforgedWeaponry.esp

163 a3 Epoch Weapon Pack.esp

164 a4 KhopeshSwordBronze.esp

165 a5 KWNordicKukri-0.91.esp

166 a6 MArmingSword.esp

167 a7 MGSword.esp

168 a8 NepaleseKukri.esp

169 a9 OrdinaryWeapons_ENG.esp

170 aa OrdinaryWeapons_RUS.esp

171 ab SkallagrimsArmory.esp

172 ac Medieval Furor from Oblivion.esp

173 ad RagnarSword.esp

174 ae LUSH Gear BlingRing Set.esp

175 af LeatherBackpackBlack-50.esp

176 b0 LeatherBackpackBlackWithout-50.esp

177 b1 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

178 b2 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

179 b3 Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp

180 b4 Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp

181 b5 NARC.esp

182 b6 Remodeled Armor.esp

183 b7 Remodeled Armor - AMB_ContentAddon.esp

184 b8 Follower Onean.esp

185 b9 Differently Ebony.esp

186 ba Follower Neisa Wardrobe.esp

187 bb Capri.esp

188 bc Northern Priestess - EX.esp

189 bd Bucklers Only.esp

190 be LycHairstyler.esp

191 bf RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

192 c0 12FemaleBrows.esp

193 c1 Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp

194 c2 CH-Havok_Breast_Physics_Object.esp

195 c3 Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp

196 c4 NewVampChainsCuirass.esp

197 c5 NonStopMiningAndChopping.esp

198 c6 Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp

199 c7 Sundys_Male_Presets.esp

200 c8 zzzAllArmorsShowAmulets.esp

201 c9 vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp

202 ca TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

203 cb The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

204 cc TakeNotes.esp

205 cd SleepTight.esp

206 ce vwr IdleMarkers.esp

207 cf UIExtensions.esp

208 d0 titkit.esp

209 d1 TGLNordArmor.esp

210 d2 XPMSE.esp

211 d3 TsuntsunArmor7B.esp

212 d4 Somewhat historically accurate swords.esp

213 d5 TavernGames.esp

214 d6 WitchkingSword.esp

215 d7 WT Tribal Clothe.esp

216 d8 StriderSword.esp

217 d9 SkyUI.esp

 

 

Just checked again after reinstalling the vanilla game. I made it all the way to the doorstep of the Bannered Mare, and the game CTD on the loading screen to enter it.

 

Skyrim performance monitor shows VRAM at about 3000MB at the time of the crash during the loading screen, up from 2700MB standing outside.

 

I also get this error in the console:

 

"Warning: access to non-existing object with id 0x2B3"

 

I've run out of ideas. If anyone has any advice, that would be great.

 

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

SOLUTION FOUND: It was an armor mod, Armonizer and/or Armonizer Workshop. I don't know why it was caused me to CTD trying to enter the Bannered Mare, but when I deactivated it I had no problems entering the Bannered Mare, and I played for hours with only 2 crashes.

 

I discovered this by activating my load order mod by mod, one at a time and attempting to enter the Bannered Mare each time. Yes, it took hours. Then I turned that mod on again and off again to confirm.

Edited August 6, 2017 by manchuligans