Shadow Flickering on Player/NPC Lightsource

[Krzykyle]

The problem:

In certain interiors some of the shadows pop in when looking at a certain angle while the player or an NPC uses a torch, lantern, magelight, etc. It's very jarring and I can't seem to find the solution after turning off my lighting mods and making INI tweaks.

 

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My PC Specs:

 

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For full specs see here:

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

Processor: Intel® Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz

Memory: 16384MB RAM

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980

Display Memory: 12241 MB

Dedicated Memory: 4060 MB

Shared Memory: 8180 MB

 

 

 

Game Setup and Tools with version numbers

 

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Game Location: G:\Extra Games\Steam Games\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition

Game Version: Skyrim SE 1.4.2.0.8

DLC: Dawnguard, Hearthfire, Dragonborn

Mod Manager: Mod Organizer 2.0.8.3

SKSE: No

Other Programs: LOOT 0.10.3 (newest version wouldn't open for me), SSEEdit 3.2, Wrye Bash 307, BethINI 2.5

Mod Guide: https://belowthesunmodding.wordpress.com/category/dragon-rising/

 

 

 

Mod Load Order

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0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 RSkyrimChildren.esm

8 8 EFFCore.esm

9 9 Campfire.esm

10 a Cutting Room Floor.esp

11 b SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

12 c Bring Out Your Dead.esp

13 d Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

14 e FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp

15 f dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

16 10 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp

17 11 Proper Aiming.esp

18 12 RealisticSpeedMovementWalkingSE.esp

19 13 SkyHUD.esp

20 14 Better Dynamic Snow.esp

21 15 Moss Rocks.esp

22 16 SkyrimIsWindy.esp

23 17 RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp

24 18 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

25 19 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp

26 1a Vivid WeathersSE.esp

27 1b IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

28 1c GoldToSeptims.esp

29 1d RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp

30 1e iNeed.esp

31 1f iNeed - Extended.esp

32 20 Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp

33 21 Blowing in the Wind - Lanterns of Skyrim Patch SSE.esp

34 22 p_vegetation_overhaul.esp

35 23 Insignificant Object Remover.esp

36 24 BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp

37 25 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

38 26 YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp

39 27 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

40 28 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

41 29 Holidays.esp

42 2a Point The Way.esp

43 2b High Level Enemies.esp

44 2c SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp

45 2d TheChoiceIsYours.esp

46 2e Cloaks.esp

47 2f Immersive Patrols II.esp

48 30 SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

49 31 Frostfall.esp

50 32 Better City Entrances - All in one - SSE.esp

51 33 NotSoFast-MainQuest.esp

52 34 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

53 35 NotSoFast-MageGuild.esp

54 36 Convenient Horses.esp

55 37 Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp

56 38 Gildergreen Regrown.esp

57 39 TCIY_BCS Patch.esp

58 3a BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

59 3b BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

60 3c BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

61 3d dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

62 3e dD-No Screen Blood.esp

63 3f Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

64 40 No Edge Glow - Magic and Transformations.esp

65 41 Immersive Spell Visuals.esp

66 42 DustEffectsSSE.esp

67 43 Footprints.esp

68 44 XPMSSE.esp

69 45 Beards.esp

70 46 BVFE.esp

71 47 RealisticEyebrows.esp

72 48 NB-Scars.esp

73 49 CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp

74 4a KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp

75 4b EFFDialogue.esp

76 4c Realistic-Voice.esp

77 4d PrinceandPauper.esp

78 4e RSChildren - Complete.esp

79 4f RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp

80 50 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

81 51 Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp

82 52 imp_helm_legend.esp

83 53 Elemental_Staffs.esp

84 54 Unique Uniques.esp

85 55 Visible Favorited Gear.esp

86 56 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

87 57 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

88 58 1nivWICCloaks.esp

89 59 WetandCold.esp

90 5a Ars Metallica.esp

91 5b Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

92 5c LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp

93 5d SMDropLitTorch.esp

94 5e High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

95 5f High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

96 60 Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp

97 61 VioLens SE.esp

98 62 VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp

99 63 Dr_Bandolier.esp

100 64 BecomeABard.esp

101 65 YOT - Frostfall Module.esp

102 66 YOT - iNeed.esp

103 67 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

104 68 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

105 69 SkyrimIsWindy-SimplyBiggerTreesSE-Patch.esp

106 6a Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

107 6b Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

108 6c ELE_SSE.esp

109 6d RealisticWaterTwo.esp

110 6e Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp

111 6f CFTO.esp

112 70 RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp

113 71 RWT Lod Fix.esp

114 72 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

115 73 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

116 74 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

117 75 RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp

118 76 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

119 77 RAO - ELE - Alternate Start Patch.esp

120 78 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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Edited August 17, 2017 by Krzykyle

[idigweeds]

Did you by chance happen to install Torches Have Shadows?

[Krzykyle]

  On 8/17/2017 at 3:49 AM, idigweeds said:

Did you by chance happen to install Torches Have Shadows?

 

Nah the only torch mod I have installed is SM Drop Lit Torches which shouldn't have anything to do with lighting since it only allows the player to automatically drop the torch when equipping another weapon. Also as I said in my original post, the problem doesn't only exist with torches. It also exists with lanterns and magelight (just tested it to double check). Seems that any extra light source in the scene causes these problems.

[Krzykyle]

Updated the description so it's easier to read and gets right to the core of the problem. Also gifs aren't everywhere in your face :smile:

Edited August 17, 2017 by Krzykyle

[Cyph3R213]

From the looks of your load order, I see Relighting Skyrim. Do you have any other mods that modifies interior lighting? If yes, maybe compatability issues. If not, from what I read about in the past. This problem is the limitation of the game engine. If I remember correctly the game engine can only have certain amount of shadows rendered in that particular cell. Just by looking at the gif you can see 3 light sources. I'm guessing that's why when you or the npc produces another light source, that's when you went passed the limit. In vanilla skyrim Bethesda used ambient lighting (which produces no shadows) to light up the cell. They put them in places that didn't even have light sources. Only to light up the room the way they think it was best. But mods like Relighting Skyrim, Realistic Lighting Overhaul and ELFX. They mod the interior to remove ambient lighting and make it so that all lighting sources produce light and shadow. This was a real big problem for me back in the days. But, recently I reinstalled my Skyrim from scratch. So far I only encountered one cell that did this. But, I use ELFX. So I can't really say if Relighting Skyrim be the cause of the issue. I even go far as to use mods like Guard Torch Remover so I can minimize it from happening. If you go to the mods page the modder even explains that the game can't handle too many light sources. Sorry I can't give you a definite solution to the problem cuz it's seems like it's just the way what the game can handle. I can only explain what it's caused by.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Kam1