new pc for new and up comming games

[rellf]

Hello I am a bit of a noob with computers but with at least a base to build upon i am getting games such as Diablo 3 and mass effect 3 have currently skyrim all fallout 3 and new veges, cod 3, black ops, 2 mass effect and other popular games

 

The PC i currently have is:

quad core processor

with 4 Gb

a NVIDIA GeForce GT 220

a 16 inch monitor

 

I am right now considering

 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=602037&Sku=G180-13104

or

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1742454&Sku=A180-140006

 

which one or a different one around the same price range plz a request assistance

Edited February 29, 2012 by rellf

[hoofhearted4]

honestly, you could probably do better keeping what you have an just upgrading it. youd get much more band for your buck

 

what kind of processor do you have? also what kind of motherboard?

 

 

download a program called Speccy it will give you this info and i (we) can help a little further :)

[rellf]

OS

WIndows 7 home Premium 64-bit SP1

 

CPU

AMD Phenom X4 9500

Agena 65nm Technology

 

RAM 4.00 GB dual Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (5-5-5-18)

 

Motherboard

XFX Mi-A78S-8209 (CPU 1)

 

Graphics

HP L1710 (1280x1024@75Hz)

1024mb GeForce GT 220 (nVidia)

 

Hard Drives

244GB Seagate St3250410AS ATA Device (SATA)

hope this is the info you guys need

[hoofhearted4]

oh, yea your deff in for an upgrade.

 

as for the PCs you showed, im not sure. im not familiar with a GTX 530. im guessing its a low tier GPU made specifically for pre builts PC for Dell and HP and the like. whereas the other one (first one) has a 6750 which is also a very low end card. i think at that low, you wont see much difference. the second one does have 2GB of VRAM, so if the two cards are even, thats a small bonus, and if you want to get a slightly bigger monitor, that will help, but at 16" it doesnt matter either way.

 

in either case, your GPU will be your bottle neck, since your CPU is a top tier CPU. the second one seems slightly better. bigger HDD (which at that size doesnt matter anyways) and slightly more VRAM in your GPU (which again with your monitor and the strength of that GPU itself, it doesnt matter) and, imo, the case is slightly cooler looking

 

other stuff worth noting. both only have 1 PCIe x16, which means youll only ever be able to use one card (which im assuming is no big deal) second, the first case listed has USB 3.0 ports, whereas the second one doesnt. so if being ready for USB 3.0 is something you want, then that could be a huge plus for the first case. because there is no way to add USB 3.0 to the second case.

 

as far as i can tell, the first case would be chosen if you want USB 3.0, which a lot of people want in their mobo. where as the second case has slight more HDD space and slightly more VRAM for the GPU. again im not sure if the two GPUs are equal in power/performance,i one was better then the other, then that would really be the deciding factor. i only assume they are the same in power/performance since they are both in equally priced rigs, but maybe someone knows something about them specifically that can shed some extra light on it for you.

[FMod]

I am right now considering

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=602037&Sku=G180-13104

or

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1742454&Sku=A180-140006

Neither, they both suck. GT530 is a joke of a GPU, HD6750 is too. For games, you'd be way better off just getting a good GPU (like GTX560 or HD6870) and nothing else.

 

Look somewhere else entirely. If you can't assemble a PC on your own, your options are limited, but you at least want somewhere they allow you to pick what exactly each component is to be. Need i5 (not i7) CPU and a good GPU, GTX560 or HD6870 or higher.

 

Oh, and that 16" monitor - what's that, a cheap LCD or a CRT? I don't think I've seen a lot of those. You almost definitely want to replace this bit. Just keep the CPU, keep everything else, replace the GPU and the monitor. My preference would be something in 20" to 23" range with 1680x1050 resolution, a good compromise between tougher 1080p and enough detail for most everything.

[rellf]

ok thank you but what would any of you or any one else suggest then? apollogies (Very big noob with pc it seems)

also sorry i dont know how to build one

Edited February 29, 2012 by rellf

[hoofhearted4]

you just arent going to get anything thats really going to help you with gaming with that money, if your buying a whole unit. to get your moneys worth out of that $800-900 youd need to build it yourself. that money wont get you anything, unless your upgrading something, not buying a whole new unit

 

if you keep what you have now, ie case and HDD and stuff, you can get a mobo, CPU, GPU, PSU and RAM ad even a monitor for the same price and you will see a dramatic increase.

 

my friend just bought an HP (despite me telling him to build one) for ~$1300 and its not bad. (however he couldnt upgrade like i think you should, as its his first PC and had nothing to build off of)

Edited March 1, 2012 by hoofhearted4

[rellf]

you just arent going to get anything thats really going to help you with gaming with that money, if your buying a whole unit. to get your moneys worth out of that $800-900 youd need to build it yourself. that money wont get you anything, unless your upgrading something, not buying a whole new unit

 

if you keep what you have now, ie case and HDD and stuff, you can get a mobo, CPU, GPU, PSU and RAM ad even a monitor for the same price and you will see a dramatic increase.

 

my friend just bought an HP (despite me telling him to build one) for ~$1300 and its not bad. (however he couldnt upgrade like i think you should, as its his first PC and had nothing to build off of)

Thany you ill do what i can but im unsure of what i can acually do

[FMod]

Your bottleneck here is the video card (GPU). Everything else is tolerable. Not up to date, but tolerable.

Passmark rates Phenom X4 9500 here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+9500+Quad-Core - about par with SB Celeron G530. Keep in mind that CPU performance has little effect on most games, Skyrim excepted. Any game designed to run on consoles can run on your CPU.

 

The best course of action would be to:

1) Replace the GPU. Install Radeon HD6850, maybe GTX 560. For more money, GTX560Ti 448 core or HD6950, but your PSU almost certainly can't handle that.

2) Buy yourself a decent display. I prefer as large as you can fit, but at least 22" would be closer to modern. Prefer lower resolutions, like 1680x1050, over higher resolutions.

3) Keep saving up for a proper upgrade. In about half a year, replace the rest of the PC, just keeping the GPU you bought now.

 

Ask your friends, anyone who goes to college or is known to be at least OK with computers, to help you if you can't build it yourself.

 

 

The best PC you can build right now with this amount of money is this:

 

Display - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236078

CPU - one of these: http://www.gadgetland.in/2012/02/13/amd-athlon-ii-x4-638-641-price-specs-and-release-for-budget-users/ - not in stock now, let's say $90

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157277

Heatsink - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

Video card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130738

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220569

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145475

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

 

That comes to $925 CPU included, minus $35 in mail-in rebates, for $890 total.

There is no keyboard, mouse or DVD unit included however. But it's faster (in games) than the ones you linked, and it includes a monitor.

[hoofhearted4]

Your bottleneck here is the video card (GPU). Everything else is tolerable. Not up to date, but tolerable.

Passmark rates Phenom X4 9500 here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+9500+Quad-Core - about par with SB Celeron G530. Keep in mind that CPU performance has little effect on most games, Skyrim excepted. Any game designed to run on consoles can run on your CPU.

 

The best course of action would be to:

1) Replace the GPU. Install Radeon HD6850, maybe GTX 560. For more money, GTX560Ti 448 core or HD6950, but your PSU almost certainly can't handle that.

2) Buy yourself a decent display. I prefer as large as you can fit, but at least 22" would be closer to modern. Prefer lower resolutions, like 1680x1050, over higher resolutions.

3) Keep saving up for a proper upgrade. In about half a year, replace the rest of the PC, just keeping the GPU you bought now.

 

Ask your friends, anyone who goes to college or is known to be at least OK with computers, to help you if you can't build it yourself.

 

 

The best PC you can build right now with this amount of money is this:

 

Display - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236078

CPU - one of these: http://www.gadgetland.in/2012/02/13/amd-athlon-ii-x4-638-641-price-specs-and-release-for-budget-users/ - not in stock now, let's say $90

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157277

Heatsink - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

Video card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130738

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220569

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145475

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

 

That comes to $925 CPU included, minus $35 in mail-in rebates, for $890 total.

There is no keyboard, mouse or DVD unit included however. But it's faster (in games) than the ones you linked, and it includes a monitor.

 

and if possible, you can salvage your old Case and HDD so theres $170 saved right there. and you dont NEED the 3rd party heatsink unless you plan on overclocking so thats another potential $30 saved, that you could all put into a new mobo/CPU, which would be my recommendation, because youd have to upgrade it again in a year or so. buying an up to date AM3+ mobo could last you years. :)

 

basically, your better off building/upgrading your rig then you are buying a new one, at that price.