STOP BOYCOTTING YOURSELVES!

[Transient3292]

I'm showing them show it should be done. I'm not angry I'm not on a rant I'm not saying the sky is falling.Â

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step up and do something yourself!Â

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What do you have to show?

that is awesome, doing what they're offering, better than what they're offering. that's exactly how this has motivated me, ive been trying my hand at making some mods, definitely haven't published anything, but i want to be able to make changes that I want, if they ever do lock down modding. I'm still new to pc in general, and honestly I'm pretty proud of what I've taught myself considering a year ago I'd never installed a game let alone any mods. This modding scene turned video games into much more than a time killer or hobby to me, I previously never realized how creative it can be, mods like those interiors projects are really what inspired me to learn.

 

and for the people that cite pete hines exact words and say "why would they ever do that, they've always supported modding", things change,times have changed, microtransactions are very common, and the game studio has bosses to answer to.

 

long post, either way chucksteel I salute you , and everyone else, we should show some solidarity here, just because you can't see from someone elses prospective doesn't mean that it's a wrong way to think.

[Moksha8088]

 

Bethesda had inappropriate relations with the pooch! I think it's obvious 50 Cents for a Pip_Boy skin!

 

Do I need to explain more?

 

Think of the target sales group as being the youngsters on the PS4 who are starved for Fallout 4 microtransactions. They will ask their parents for the orange Pipboy skin with the argument that it is only fifty cents. The parents will dutifully buy the credit packs so that junior can have the orange skin and other microtransaction treats as well. Remember, orange is the new fuscia!

 

The mods offered at the Nexus will be larger and more plentiful. No need to get our collective panties bunched up over this. Sales need to occur on consoles so games can continue to be supplied to the PCs.

[Zzyxzz]

 

CC is bad, it needs to die, it needs to die fast. We can't let it live. They had their chance to polish it. Bring new great DLC like Far Harbor, Nuka World. "Real Bethesda quality DLCs" So that they hire voice actors etc... let the modders do their stuff and help them with the resources. But yeah... They just took modding by the nuts and squeezed them hard.

 

The more likely result is if CC dies, you get nothing at all. They're not going to make new huge DLC content because this late in the game that's unheard of. Heck even the voice actors for Nate and Nora aren't under contract any more from what we've had dropped through the grapevine.

 

The only two companies I can think of that did did support their game in a huge capacity well after release are Blizzard (who keep fundamentally changing their games every other year) and Gearbox with Borderlands 2 (which involved them skimming the funds from another game to do so). Most companies won't devote that much time to a single title because they've already moved onto the next big thing and you've seen Beth has a lot of games already in that oven and more stuff unannounced. You kill this, they shrug consider it a good try and just leave you with a modding community that's winding down.

 

 

 

"The more likely result is if CC dies, you get nothing at all."

Better that, than creating a system that doesnt add any value but adds problems. Updating F4SE everytime something has been added to CC? Thats fine? Taking a lot of space from your HDD/SSD, more and more with every update? No, thanks. We are fine over here with the stuff we have. Sorry PS4 users. Sucks to say that Sony doesn't allow you to mod your game, the way it has always been.

I'm not angry about the CC itself. I really don't care at all. It can exist but it shall leave my game alone! And this is not going to happen. They had just two jobs, make it good and make it work. What we got? Nothing.

 

Blizzard sucks too. They are disconnected from the players. They are cash grabbing every corner they can get to and they created a horrible community.

WoW can't be compared. Diablo 3 maybe(can also be played single player), as it finances from expansions, like FO(for now). Starcraft has the map editor which is similiar to the CK, as this will maintain the game itself by the community, more or less.

Bethesda needs only to maintain the hardcoded stuff as the community maintains everything else(Fixing crucial engine bugs). Blizzard doesnt offer something like that and needs to fix everything by their own.

The CK is great and i dont want to lose it. In terms of support, Bethesda is the winner for me.

[Deleted3082751User]

let us take a look at elder scrolls online, and take note how that game destroyed modding (which it clearly has not, yet its the exact same thing as all of these topics about how cc is killing free modding), and look how many mods have been produced in that time and still being produced now. the whole paid modding, and creation club is clearly inspired by elder scrolls online, why you may ask, well put it this way, that game has a lot of microtransactions, content that is basically redundant yet people love that stuff, and so, bethesda (or zenimax is the more likely case) clearly seeing how well this model is going, thought they would attempt to do the same stuff on skyrim and fallout, given the fact that the content being produced for both games is far superior compared to the stuff that is being made for eso, and so by charging for the superior content it would be a gold mine for them.

 

now i pretty much gurantee that zenimax is behind the creation club idea, as they are the very ones running elder scrolls online, and thus they are the very ones who know how well micro transactions go and ov course they are bethesda parent company, so any money bethesda makes, they make. (simply because i am pretty much sure that creation club is zenimax idea)

 

so yea, case in point, both creation club and paid modding is based on the eso micro transactions model. now i believe that this is more of a zenimax idea then bethesda, because if this was completely bethesda idea then why are they not making dlc size content, instead of minor content, they clearly know how to make money (and know that pretty much everyone wants dlc sized content, stuff that would make fallout 4 feel like its predecessors, which could only happen in dlc sized content), so i believe that zenimax put this idea on bethesda, and that is why it is flopping because i believe bethesda truly dont want a part of this. and doing it to keep zenimax happy.

 

Continued

 

 

not only that, but if it was truly bethesda idea, this stuff would have been done a long time ago. i mean skyrim is what 6 years old now, and yet it was 4 years (i cant actually remember that exact time it started but i am saying 4 years to prove the point) later that the first paid modding attempt came in, let us also not forget about the older games that were modded heavily as well. oblivion, fallout 3, new vegas, and even morrowind. why was their not paid modding attempt then either.

 

i tell you why, because for a start elder scrolls online did not exist then, and 2 console modding did not exist either, so creation club is clearly inspired by elder scrolls online, and more importantly both paid modding attempts is because of consoles. this is not a pc thing. pc is only involved because that is the platform these very mods are being made on. and not only that, but people could replicate the content that is being produced for creation club.

 

if people stopped making mods because of the creation club, then these people did not have a passion to begin with. making mods is not about money, its about passion, and creativity. its the same situation as youtube, you cant expect to have that as a job. a lot of people do youtube because they enjoy it.

 

anyways thats my thought on this whole creation club nonsense.

 

bethesda are not stupid, they know for a fact it is modding that keeps their games alive, they are not stupid enough to try and kill free modding, because if they do, their games will fail. the creation club will kill itself.

 

PC = Freedom, you cannot put a price on freedom. if free modding goes, their player base and longevity of their games goes with it. and then we will see how well their games do, when mods like the unofficial patch, and crash fixes for skyrim stopped being produced. script extenders stopped being made, and enb no longer exist, these games will fail miserably. but on the flipside, this will force bethesda to produce better content, we are talking a game that does not crash or freeze easily and i just dont think their games will ever be bulletproof against crashes, freezes and other issues they suffer. the fact that a free modding community fixes their games, makes them lazy, thus the easy life, why would they destroy that, forcing them to make stable games, thus requiring more effort. think about that. not too mention they will have to start making their games for the future. thus even more effort. computers are getting more powerful each month, consoles will also follow that. and thus they will have start producing far stronger games. to keep up with technology.

 

also another reason why i am convinced this idea is based on elder scrolls online micro transactions, is because of the content that is being made for the creation club, minor content that eso microtransactions also has minor content, very minor in fact. for example plant pots, colors for armor, very minor stuff. and this is the same as the creation club. i am very convinced their 1 in the same. this is mainly based on the very first opening content on the creation club. but i dont think the content will improve either. and thus will share the same future as eso microtransantions, minor stuff that for some unknown reason people go crazy over (talking about the content for eso, the minor stuff).

 

so yea, this is my view on all previous, present and future posts on the creation club, and then the inevitable paid modding attempt 3 when elder scrolls 6 and fallout 5 come out.

 

Edited September 12, 2017 by Guest

[greekrage]

This thread is irrelevant .

Each author has a brain and im sure has thought about his/her actions.

Personally i chose to ignore CC and Beth money grabbing and continue to do what i do because I ENJOY modding .

 

Obviously many of those pulling their mods out have probably gotten tired in general and possibly looking for an excuse to stop modding or at least stop modding for Beth games..

 

IMHO removing their mods accomplishes nothing and in Beth's eyes its a weak attempt at making any sort of statement .

 

Dont forget who you make your mods for people...its NOT for Bethesda but for the people that have supported you all these years....the PLAYERS