Eltiraaz Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 when we say that the being we call "god" lacks one of those characteristics (absolute good), then it can't be god. Then that proves God is Immoral!! The debate is over!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 It's actually "Dog". we've been spelling it backwards all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Pointless and not contributing one bit to the discussion. Please keep such derogatory comments off the debates board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 But didnt you say yourself that the discussion was over? and, if it really is dog, is dog immoral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 12, 2004 Author Share Posted February 12, 2004 How dare you suggest that my dog is as immoral as God? Lets compare the two: Dog:1) Exists2) Good to have as a pet.3) Follows orders (sometimes).4) Needs only food.5) Worst crime is begging for my dinner. God:1) Doesn't exist.2) Keeps us as pets.3) Gives us orders.4) Demands worship.5) Worst crime is genocide and sending the victims to hell. I think we have a clear winner. Never call God "dog" again, it's an insult to all dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 <_< Maybe to you. So is this discussion over? Shall we bring up another point? Does anyone have anything constructive to add? i.e.- not insulting your maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Well, if everyone wants to concede and call it over I guess that is what will happen because I can't sit here and post arguments to no one. Here is my argument: God calls himslef "good". He is setting the standard for "good". What he is, is "good". Whether you judge him moral, immoral, evil, good, campassionate, etc. he is "good". Here would be an example that some people may see as irrelevant but do a little thinking and it will make sense, if you have any sense. In school, a teacher gives you a really hard exam that you are not prepared for. The teacher has not taught the material thoroughly and simply enough for you to understand. When the test results come back, the teacher notices that almost everyone has done poorly. Let's just say that the test is worth 100 points and the highest score was a 70/100. That calculates to a C in the USA. Which is average but not real good (no offense to anyone with C average grades) so, the teacher feels bad and makes the test worth 70 points. The highest score which was a C is now an A+ (above average). The person with the 70/100 has set the standard and is now the best even though it was a bad score. It is the standard for "good" Submit arguments because I have not conceded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 yep, you are the most stubborn. we are all in agreement, even if god is good, he is still evil because he breaks his OWN commandments. You would probably respond to that he does not have to follow them as they are directed at us, but if he were a truly benevolent, kind, merciful, unhipocritical, good god, he would. They are his beliefs. He tells you not to kill, but he rains down plauges that kill. he tells you not to covet thy neighbor's wife, yet he impregnated the virgin mary, who was MARRIED. He tells people to worship the cross, the very thing that killed his own son, that he had with a married woman! he is immoral! concede, that's all that is left for you! :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 i.e.- not insulting your maker God is not my maker. I'll insult fictional characters all I want. And I'll say it again.. morally God is inferior to my dog. I have more respect for him than for God. Well, if everyone wants to concede and call it over I guess that is what will happen because I can't sit here and post arguments to no one. Interesting how it's your side that's willing to concede... perhaps that has something to do with the fact that you've lost? If anyone still thinks they can present an argument in favor of God's morality, please do... I've got more swings of the hammer of reality left to shatter it. In school, a teacher gives you a really hard exam that you are not prepared for. The teacher has not taught the material thoroughly and simply enough for you to understand. When the test results come back, the teacher notices that almost everyone has done poorly. Let's just say that the test is worth 100 points and the highest score was a 70/100. That calculates to a C in the USA. Which is average but not real good (no offense to anyone with C average grades) so, the teacher feels bad and makes the test worth 70 points. The highest score which was a C is now an A+ (above average). The person with the 70/100 has set the standard and is now the best even though it was a bad score. It is the standard for "good" No, the standard of "perfect" is still 100/100. The fact that nobody could be perfect, and that the teacher was willing to forgive it, does not change what perfection is. The test has not suddenly changed in some way. If a later person took the exact same test, they could get above a 70, and therefore be more than perfect (impossible). All you have here is one person altering their own judgement. The standards of the rest of the universe are unchanged. Submit arguments because I have not conceded. My arguments for god's lack of morality are clear: 1) We have no free will. God creates people with an inevitable fate of eternal suffering. 2) God's prefered solution to any problem is genocide. 3) God considers failure to worship properly a crime that deserves death. 4) God violates his own laws. 5) Unlike civilized systems of justice, God makes no difference between minor and major crimes. In God's eyes, stealing $1 is morally equal to mass murder. 6) God's massive ego blinds him and makes him act in evil ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Interesting, no wonder you are so dull. You appeared from no where and that explains your stupidity. (Debate lingo, get used to it, call me names if you wish) Interesting how it's your side that's willing to concede... perhaps that has something to do with the fact that you've lost? If anyone still thinks they can present an argument in favor of God's morality, please do... I've got more swings of the hammer of reality left to shatter it. I believe that you stated an end of the argument as well. Maybe you weren't conceding but you were calling it to an end until I posted my argument. No, the standard of "perfect" is still 100/100. The fact that nobody could be perfect, and that the teacher was willing to forgive it, does not change what perfection is. The test has not suddenly changed in some way. If a later person took the exact same test, they could get above a 70, and therefore be more than perfect (impossible). I disagree. The 70/70 is a perfect score. It equals 100%. The teacher set the highest score possible for all years to come. The point is, God is "good", what he is equals the definition of "good" no matter how immoral you, a dog lover, thinks he is. 5) Unlike civilized systems of justice, God makes no difference between minor and major crimes. In God's eyes, stealing $1 is morally equal to mass murder. Interesting, Interesting, Interesting. You can look at this both ways. Depending on whether you are an optimist or a pecimist. Optimists see it as, "That's great. If I become a mass murderer, God sees it as no worse than stealing one lousy dollar. " Pecimists look at it this way, "That sucks, If I steal one dollar, God sees me just as bad as a mass murderer." Obviously you look at it as a Pecimist. Good luck in the real world old chap! HM edit: how do you manage to get quote tags that badly wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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