Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 what i MEANT was if that was what you meant. otherwise, you arent reading [my posts] right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 yep, you are the most stubborn. we are all in agreement, even if god is good, he is still evil because he breaks his OWN commandments. You would probably respond to that he does not have to follow them as they are directed at us, but if he were a truly benevolent, kind, merciful, unhipocritical, good god, he would. They are his beliefs. He tells you not to kill, but he rains down plauges that kill. he tells you not to covet thy neighbor's wife, yet he impregnated the virgin mary, who was MARRIED. He tells people to worship the cross, the very thing that killed his own son, that he had with a married woman! he is immoral! concede, that's all that is left for you! :blink: yep, you are the most stubborn well, i am honored. I only concede when I am PROVEN wrong. He tells you not to kill, but he rains down plauges that kill. It is man's own fault about the plagues. Remember the Tree of Knowledge story told you? IT IS TRUE! I will continue later I have to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 All that I said was in the bible. in this thread, the bible is to be taken as a literal truth. and, since those were all in the bible, being literal truth, THEY PROVE YOU WRONG. immoral, yes(all evidence presented points to this); evil, maybe (we cant be sure); good, well, he says he is (why we cant be sure); a man, probably (remember creation); hippocritical, dur, of course he is (not gonna illicite this with explanation); useful, sometimes (not in war, hate, corruption, etc.); necessary, yes (without him, where would we be? uncreated). there. all the mysteries of god explained with common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 14, 2004 Author Share Posted February 14, 2004 well, i am honored. I only concede when I am PROVEN wrong. Which, by your standards, will happen only when God himself rewrites the bible. Stop following your religion so blindly and take a look at reality for once. It is man's own fault about the plagues. Remember the Tree of Knowledge story told you? IT IS TRUE! Translation: genocide is justified as long as you believe your victims deserve it. Can't you see the problem with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Well, I guess that the only way I will concede is if God rewrites the Bible. I think that we have basically debated everything. I will try to come up with something to argue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 15, 2004 Author Share Posted February 15, 2004 And here is where you concede the debate and realize that your religion is entirely wrong: Exodus 32:14, "the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people" God is capable of doing evil actions. If he had decided to destroy humanity then, despite his infinite goodness and perfection, and despite the fact that he has every right to do so, it would be an evil act. BY YOUR OWN BIBLE. There is no other way to look at this. Since God's (possible) actions can be evil here, his actions elsewhere are no different. And now here is where I completely shatter what little remains of your argument: Well, I take the bible literraly because i Believe every last word of it. You have no choice. Your own bible states that God is capable of evil actions. Concede now and don't embarass yourself any more than you have already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 And here is where you concede the debate and realize that your religion is entirely wrong: Exodus 32:14, "the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people" God is capable of doing evil actions. If he had decided to destroy humanity then, despite his infinite goodness and perfection, and despite the fact that he has every right to do so, it would be an evil act. BY YOUR OWN BIBLE. There is no other way to look at this. Since God's (possible) actions can be evil here, his actions elsewhere are no different. And now here is where I completely shatter what little remains of your argument: Well, I take the bible literraly because i Believe every last word of it. You have no choice. Your own bible states that God is capable of evil actions. Concede now and don't embarass yourself any more than you have already. I have known all along that God is capable of doing Evil acts. DUH!!!!!!!!!!Do you think that I was born yesterday? Common knowledge! Well, this passage refers to God threatening to the Israelites who had made a calf out of gold and worshipped it. He threatened to allow is ANGER to burn against them and destroy them. After Moses pleaded with God to spare his people, because of what the Egyptians might think, God RELENTED his evil thoughts and spared his people. read the entire passage. do not search for one passage that will get you somewhere in this debate. And it gets even worse... Hell might be a fair punishment for major sin like murder. But it is far out of proportion to minor ones like stealing $1 or not beliveing in God. Therefore it is completely inappropriate to use the same punishment for both. If you insist on both having the same punishment, a more just solution would be to lower the punishment to match the level of the most minor crime, not to raise it all to match the worst. Answer: all men/ women are condemned to Hell already. Only by the GRACE of God am I going to Heaven because I repented and God forgave me. You to can go to Heaven no matter what you do, if you ask for forgiveness (sincerely). Unless after you accept Gos as your personal savior you disown him ans blasphame against him, God casts you out of his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 dude, we have all proven you wrong. give up. I have known all along that God is capable of doing Evil acts. DUH!!!!!!!!!!Do you think that I was born yesterday? Common knowledge! Well, this passage refers to God threatening to the Israelites who had made a calf out of gold and worshipped it. He threatened to allow is ANGER to burn against them and destroy them. After Moses pleaded with God to spare his people, because of what the Egyptians might think, God RELENTED his evil thoughts and spared his people. read the entire passage. do not search for one passage that will get you somewhere in this debate. that, in itself, is like your concession. you cant be a hippocritical guy just to impose your dogma on others. you yourself said he is evil. we alredy said he is immoral. its OVER. just out of curiousity, are you catholic or protestant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 15, 2004 Author Share Posted February 15, 2004 I have known all along that God is capable of doing Evil acts. DUH!!!!!!!!!!Do you think that I was born yesterday? Common knowledge! Well, this passage refers to God threatening to the Israelites who had made a calf out of gold and worshipped it. He threatened to allow is ANGER to burn against them and destroy them. After Moses pleaded with God to spare his people, because of what the Egyptians might think, God RELENTED his evil thoughts and spared his people. Ok, we must come to one of conclusions here: 1) You are not intelligent enough to understand even my most basic arguments.2) You blindly believe your religion so much that you refuse to concede any flaw in it, no matter how obvious. But just in case it's 1), I'll state it in clear terms: God considers destroying humanity for their crimes. This would be an evil act, according to your own bible. God has evil thoughts, according to your own bible. Therefore three conclusions are unavoidable if you have any rational thought in your mind: 1) God is capable of evil. The idea that God is entirely good and just is an absolute lie. This is unarguable fact and presented in clear terms. Despite your arguments that any action of God's is good by definition, his possible action is clearly stated to be evil. 2) Destroying humanity is evil. God considers destroying humanity for failing to worship him. The bible states that this would be an evil act. Therefore when he does commit genocide to punish failure to worship, it is evil as well. 3) God is evil. This conclusion is unarguable. By your own bible, God is capable of evil, and (at least) some of his actions are evil. Your claim of God's absolute moral goodness is nothing more than the delusions of a rabid fanatic. Answer: all men/ women are condemned to Hell already. Only by the GRACE of God am I going to Heaven because I repented and God forgave me. You to can go to Heaven no matter what you do, if you ask for forgiveness (sincerely). Unless after you accept Gos as your personal savior you disown him ans blasphame against him, God casts you out of his family. You do realize that "guilty until proven innocent" is a morally flawed system of "justice" that all civilized societies have abandoned, right? =================================================== And now since hundinman isn't brave enough to post his attacks on me in public, here's a report he sent to all the moderators: Hello again, I am again here to report wat Peregrine has done wrong against me. In an ongoing debate that we have had for quite a long time about the Morality of God, he asked me what I would do if God told me to sacrifice a child to him once a weeek in the most painful way possible. I am a very strong Christian and have a large amount of faith in the Lord my God. I told him that, yes, I would sacrifice a child but this is never going to happen so the point is useless. He answered back: (paraphrased) So, you would disobey your God's greatest law of not murdering so that you can follow the sacrificial command.I answered: yes, because sacrificing to God would not be the same as murder. Take a look at Peregrines new signature. It is meant to embarass and make a fool out of me. It is unnecessary and something should be done. And something more than just having him change it. Translation: I believe in God very strongly. Peregrine asked poor me a difficult question. I answered exactly as Peregrine quotes. But it's not fair to tell people what I said! I don't care if I posted it in a public forum, my words are embarassing! My reply to this will be short: I'm glad you at least see the absolute evil of what you said you would do... why else would you care, unless the rest of the world would consider you morally flawed (and for good reason!) for your position? Now I know this is hard for you to understand, but your actions have consequences. If you didn't want people to know what you said, you should have though about that before posting it in a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 1) God is capable of evil. The idea that God is entirely good and just is an absolute lie. true, but sometimes the quickest way is through the mud. maybe he has to be evil in order to do his job as just. but, i wouldnt know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.