Need Help Solving Random CTD/Freezes On My Playthrough.

[Zorgamal]

I need help figuring out why my game seems to randomly freeze or CTD while I am playing. It seems to mostly occur when I am fast traveling, but it can happen just out of the blue. I tend to only have my game freeze when loading, and CTD while actually playing. However it is not every time that I fast travel, nor is it one specific place where it happens. From what I can tell, it really is random as to when it happens.

 

I just recently got back into Skyrim and wanted to move up to the Special Edition after dealing with too many problems on Oldrim. I am using the BOSS guide to mod SE and aside from a few mod changes (subtracting and adding mods) I made, I've followed it almost exactly as it is written. I am currently still on a test profile so there shouldn't be any problems with save corruption or anything like that since I load into a save that doesn't require any mods.

 

Here is my load order:

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
widescreen_skyui_fix.esp
SkyHUD.esp
XPMSSE.esp
SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
RLO - Interiors.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
CLARALUX SSE.esp
MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
Better Cities Solitude.esp
WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp
Distinct Interiors.esp
InnCredible.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
TW3Eyes.esp
SGEyebrows.esp
Beards.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Winterhold.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Stonecrest.esp
PCE - RLO Patch.esp
Ambriel.esp
Unique Flowers & Plants.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
WeightLessTrueAll.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Weapon AF.esp
SkyrimIsWindy.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
20 More Perk Points.esp
Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
SuperbSerana.esp
Better descriptions SSE.esp
skyBirds_SSE.esp
morthal.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Snowy AF Windhelm.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
Point The Way.esp
Kato's Falkreath.esp
Ruined Shrine of Phynaster.esp
SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
Whitewatch Tower.esp
Clockwork.esp
BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp
JKs Whiterun.esp
JK's Riverwood.esp
Cloaks.esp
Better Vampires.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
The Elder Scrolls Tomes - Skyrim Magic Addon.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
Artifacts.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
TheAutumnOfWhiterunRemastered.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
TKAA.esp
MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
Ivarstead.esp
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
Kynesgrove.esp
Karthwasten.esp
Veydosebrom - Grasses and Groundcover.esp
Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
CLARALUX SSE - JK's Whiterun.esp
Recorder Follower Base.esp
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
ElysiumEstateSSE.esp
Dragon Bridge.esp
Insignificant Inconsistences Fix.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Elysium Estate.esp
CLARALUX SSE - JK's Riverwood.esp
notice board.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp
Armes d'Auriel.esp
BVandSacrosanct_Patch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Point the Way.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
JKs Whiterun exterior.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
PCE - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Ordinator.esp
Map Markers Complete.esp
Vampirelordroyal.esp
BlackreachBypassSSE.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
CLARALUX SSE - USSEP.esp
PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
moonpath.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Missing Apprentices CRF Quest Fix.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
VioLens SE.esp
VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AFT - Dragonborn Patch.esp
AFT - USSEP Patch.esp
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp
Better Horses 3.0.esp
SparklesSE.esp
PyP_LE+CRF.esp
TavernGames.esp
Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrimDGDB_Outfit.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrimDGDB_Outfit_WICCloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods - Winter Is Coming.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
WeaponsOf3E_SSE.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
Footprints.esp
BVFE.esp
BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp
RLO - CRF Patch.esp
RLO - Effects.esp
RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp
RLO - JK's Riverwood.esp
RLO - JK's Whiterun.esp
TrueStormsSE.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
Vivid Weathers & True Storms MCP.esp
MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
LightngDuringStorm.esp
Vivid Weathers Utilities.esp
CLARALUX SSE - JK's Whiterun Exterior.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Backshields.esp
Simple AUA.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp
DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
Durnehviir God of Death.esp
Schlongs of SkyrimSE - Light.esp
FNIS.esp
UNPB Vanilla Outfits.esp
Bent Pines.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
VanderolTattoos.esp
VividWeathersSE - Burma Patch.esp
Better descriptions SSE - Spell tomes for Apocalypse EN.esp
CoinPurseIncrease.esp
Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
Falskaar TKAA Patch.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
AKA_LeftHandRings_Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RWT Lod Fix.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
RLO - IC Patch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Immersive Cititzens.esp
MLU.esp
MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp
MLU - Summermyst.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Aesthetic Elisif.esp
MLU - Ars Metallica Patch.esp
MLU - Remove Tempering Nerf.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
DBM_MLU.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
MLU - Vanilla Encounter Zones.esp
DBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.esp
ISC Morrowloot Ultimate Simplified Patch.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp
RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - LAL.esp
FlowerGirls SE.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Amorous Patch.esp
FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
SSEMerged.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I have run LOOT as well as manually rearranged some plugins to fix NPC bugs and try to match what the authors recommend. I also use a merged and bashed patch so I'm thinking it has to be a load order issue. I also am running Re-Engaged Reshade (the ENB ruined my FPS) as well as SSE Fixes and achievements enabler. Any help I can get to make my Special Edition more stable would be greatly appreciated.

My Specs:

CPU-Intel i6500

GPU RX480 8gb

Ram- 8gb

[BlueGunk]

Nice set of mods!

 

Just an opinion from someone who came back from CTD hell in old Skyrim... but might your game be stressed from running Claralux, skybirds_SSE, and loading it with grass mod and other texture stuff followed by Vivid Weathers and an ENB? Random CTDs on cell loadings sounds to me like sometimes the demands are too much for the system. Warzones is also pretty heavy, too.

 

I know SE is way better at memory, but there are still limits... 8GB of RAM when other PC background processes will be running, could be eaten up, as Skyrim still goes for CPU and system RAM first. I have 16GB RAM and 6GB VRAM and my game is stable but I am careful with lighting, overhauls, grasses, etc. I don't know what texture packs you run on top of the list, but they will add to the weighting.

 

As additional note, I'd put Majestic Mountains close to the end of the load order as its texture packs are now built into the mod. I have mine just before RDO. Ditto with Simply Bigger trees. And watch the load order on the grass and grass fixes.

 

Just a guess but try running the game without Claralux (lighting mods can be heavy hitters) and for easing back on scripts take out skybirds_SSE. Perhaps adjust your Papyrus times to allow for a little more script run:

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
fArchiveInitBufferMB=8.0000
fUpdateBudgetMS=2.3000 ; default 1.2000
iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=153600

Scale back until you get a stable game and see what you can live without. (Or buy another 8GB RAM!)

 

As I say, just a guess! Good luck.

[Zorgamal]

Thanks for the help. I was thinking that I may be trying to run too heavy of a mod set, but I guess I was hoping I could run more than I should. I will definitely remove skybirds and a few others and see if that doesn't fix the problem.

 

Regarding the load order, I see what you mean about one of the landscape fixes esps being above the grass mod. I some how never noticed that when I went over it, but I will definitely move those two you mentioned closer to the bottom.

 

Unfortunately, I won't be able to test it for a while because I messed something up when I installed the performance monitor to check how everything was running. I'm not sure what happened but my FPS dropped to the 10's and 20's while it was running and once I uninstalled it, I got an infinite load screen after the main menu running it both through MO and steam. I think the problem is the monitor messed up the dll files in SE folder. I've already tried a bunch of different things that didn't work so now I've uninstalled and am reinstalling the game from steam. Hopefully that fixes the problem, but if it doesn't I'm all ears for a possible solution.

 

Anyway, thanks again for the help

Edited September 28, 2017 by Zorgamal

[BlueGunk]

I wondered whether to mention Performance Monitor. I assume it is this one?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3826/?

That's definitely the best way to see if you are blowing out the memory. Not sure how it went wrong for you. I downloaded mine to a separate drive away from Skyrim SE, and I run it first from that drive. I set up Performance Monitor to launch Mod Organizer 2, and then run the game from MO2 as normal. Performance Monitor picks up the stuff properly. Performance Monitor should not mess up DLLs!

 

Hope you get it sorted. My Skyrim SE runs a dream. My only problem is dialogue options keep falling off the menus. Weird....

[Zorgamal]

Yep that's the one. I'm thinking now I just messed something up when I was trying to fix the low frame rates. Just uninstalling and reinstalling the program didn't work so now I am trying a clean uninstall by wiping everything related to SE aside from MO and my mods which are in a separate location so they shouldn't affect it. With the monitor I tried using a workaround feature in the monitor's options that let me ignore the dll files that wouldn't let the overlay appear. It's still experimental, so that may have contributed to it but idk anymore. I'm just going to wipe the game and hope that works. Like I said I'm still testing so I'm not really losing anything by doing so.

 

I'm glad yours is running so smoothly, and I think that's one of the few problems I haven't had between Oldrim and Special edition so I hope you get it figured out.

 

Edit: Finally got the game working correctly again. Now to get back to the mods and actually fixing the in-game problems.

Edited September 30, 2017 by Zorgamal

[BlueGunk]

Good luck! Keep your MO2 away from your game folders (but I expect you already know that!)