Rennn Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Neither side is right or wrong. The Stormcloaks are ruthless, promote instability, and have undertones of racism, but they promote freedom for Skyrim. The Empire is opposed to religious freedom, they're almost puppets of the Thalmor, and they're opposed to Skyrim's independence, but they promote stability and avoid racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy1123 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Live on the edge and don't take a side. I consider all groups who tether a prisoner along to be my enemy. Since I was brought into the picture as one I can't help but intervene when I see it happening to another. The Imperial way of beheading people and having a thalmore lacky integrated throughout everything they do, the Stormcloak hatred for others not their own, and Thalmore for being stuck up, self righteous snobs. I chose to not be part of any of it. I take great pleasure in collecting Death Notices for me from the cold stiff clutch of a dead Thalmore agent. Get into the arms trade. Dispatch them all in the wilderness and leave no witnesses. Remember to pick up after yourself and collect the spoils. We certainly don't want to start polluting Skyrim. Its the Green thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver219 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 LOL, like everyone else said, it's a matter of choice. I went with the Stormcloaks simply because I got tired of having the Imperials act like jerks every time I encounterd them. Seemed as good a reason as any I guess. Probably didnt help that I had knocked off quite a few imperials already, so that probably made the decision easier. Was worried about my house in Whiterun during the Civil War, but it wssn't touched. Now I have Hjerim to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanLoL Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I sided with the Stormcloaks on my first save. Ralof is a total bro. I felt instantly connected to him during the whole impending death opening. Playing a home grown Nord that hates the Thalmor more than anything also swayed my choice. I'm a sucker for all the warrior heroics and honor as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pentigan Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Either way the Thalmor are screwing over the entirety of Nirn. If the Stormcloaks win the Empire is split and the Thalmor are set to take over. If the Empire wins then the worship of Talos is set to end entirely, Nirn passes back into the void and the Elves regain their previous semi-godhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerx243 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) I personally don't like the beginning of the game because anyone in their right mind would kill the people trying to kill them. If it was the other way around and it was the Stormcloaks that captured you there is no evidence to support they would not of done the same thing and from the start you would have a negative opinion of the Stormcloaks. Same with Oblivion and Morrowind you either wake in an Imperial prison of some kind, you are lead from the beginning to not trust the Imperials. The thing I look at though is that they quickly take back why you were detained and don't just kill you when you are freed. I side with the Imperials because they only surrendered to stop the Thalmor from killing basically everyone, sure they are beheading people but these are dark times, civil war and the looming threat of elven steel. Skyrim wouldn't last a year against the Thalmor if they attacked during the war, the faster it is over the shorter it will take to recover. I don't pick a side because I think one is right or wrong I pick a side because whoever wins in the end needs to fight the real enemy of anyone that isn't an Elf; the Thalmor. In the end, like it has already been said, right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder. Rebels being executed or patriots being murdered, you decide how to view it. Both have their flaws but even the hero has his problems. EDIT: Ninja'd Either way the Thalmor are screwing over the entirety of Nirn. If the Stormcloaks win the Empire is split and the Thalmor are set to take over. If the Empire wins then the worship of Talos is set to end entirely, Nirn passes back into the void and the Elves regain their previous semi-godhood. Talos worship is only banned because the Thalmor forced it. If they attack then the Imperials have no reason to continue the ban, they need the peace to prepare for more war. The question shouldn't be if the Stormcloaks or Imperials are right it should be are the Aldmeri Dominion or the rest of Tamriel right. The Dominion is already split on multiple fronts by Cyrodiil and if the Empire patched relations with Hammerfell they would have a fighting chance at reuniting the continent Edited March 12, 2012 by killerx243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota71 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Do what i do in this playtrough, stay with the empire and slay all the thalmor, although I would have preferred that half of the empire thalmor give me hunting after killing a hundred of their supreme judges, but unfortunately it does not happen, a shame Edited March 12, 2012 by yota71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Neither is right, but I prefer the stormcloaks. I can understand why the Stormcloaks are a bit racist. They feel like their homeland is been taken over by a foreign force and a peace treaty with the Thalmor and the Empire does not help at all. Banning Talos just hit them below the belt, it's like banning their identity. Basicly the Empire (under the Thalmor order of course) are saying that you are not allowed to believe in what you want. The Thalmor are pretty much the nazis of TES lore. They torture and kill humans because of their race because they think they're superior compared to them. The nords at least let them live, they're just fed up with their actions and like in real-life people generalize. Stormcloaks just feel like they're foreignors in their own country. Meanwhile the Thalmor are waiting for the Empire and Stormcloaks to fight against each other so they can fight against a weaker force when they eventually attack. There's no good/evil in a civil war IMO. The bad guys in this political situation are the Thalmor. Also I've read many people say that the Stormcloaks couldn't protect Skyrim against the Thalmor, but I think that if they can defeat the Empire in a civil war then why not the Thalmor? Also there has been many similar situations in the history before when a weaker force has been able to survive a stronger opponent. Finland vs Russia. USA was not doing that good against Vietnam until they decided to blow **** up. Russia was attacked by the Nazis while they had a war with Finland, but the cold climate and Russia's tactic to burn everything down as they fled made sure that Nazi Germany's troops died in the freezing weather and hunger. Napoleon's troops faced the same fate. Skyrim's has a very cold climate too, the southern areas are warmer, but the north is very very cold which would slow down and weaken the Thalmor troops. Also since the nords are more used to the cold climate than imperials and bretons, I'm sure they'd have a better change against them in their homeland. Edited March 12, 2012 by BlueMoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kradus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Hatred and prejudice aside, I think that ultimately the empire is the way to go. The ban of talos worship doesn't justify a war where thousands will die, and that will only help the thalmor dominate Tamriel. Since as far as we know a united empire is the only thing that can stand up to the aldmeri dominion. How would skyrim or any other human nation have a future otherwise? Could Ulfric and his spent army stand up to an invasion on their own, considering what happened in the great war? Where would the Talos worship be then? At least a victorious empire wouldn't need to put up with the elves anymore and then things could be set straight. This is why the rebelion is doing far more to help the thalmor than the white gold concordat ever did and why Ulfric's motives become really shady if we consider him an inteligent man. So, I conclude that the only way to save skyrim from the real threat is to beat Ulfric fast and with the less casualties possible, so the empire can actually rebuild its forces(Like the thalmor have been doing all along) and stand ready to face the dominion. I actually want to read and alternate theory though, since so many people seem to support the stormcloaks. How would a stormcloak victory be good for Skyrim in the end? Also I've read many people say that the Stormcloaks couldn't protect Skyrim against the Thalmor, but I think that if they can defeat the Empire in a civil war then why not the Thalmor? Because after the great war all nations where weak, but while both the thalmor and the empire should be rebuilding, the thalmor are rebuilding and the empire and the the stormcloaks are fighting each other making themselfs even weaker. Meaning that if the stormcloaks win, then the thalmor will simply have to swoop down on a completely beaten empire, then fight what was left of skyrim's forces with an overwhelming force. Besides, we've seen the thalmor in action in skyrim, they beat the stormcloaks easely on even numbers. It's math/startegy - why the emperor decided to sign that damned treaty, so he'd have time to rebuild the legions, rather than keep fighting a losing war. Edited March 12, 2012 by kradus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ita Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Imperials, because I like to crush rebel scum. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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