[INFO] ZOMG OBLIVION WITH CRYSIS ENGINE!

[Kresselack]

What about completely revamping Oblivion's lighting system with that one, or one relatively similar?

All you really need is realtime lighting to give off the correct shadows. Notice how a house in Oblivion dosent give off any shade to the one right beside it.

[Vagrant0]

What about completely revamping Oblivion's lighting system with that one, or one relatively similar?

All you really need is realtime lighting to give off the correct shadows. Notice how a house in Oblivion dosent give off any shade to the one right beside it.

Requires re-writing part of the engine. Which is again, illegal.

 

As for the language terms. I speak in English, I use the meaning in English. If there is some different meaning, in some other country, that is not my concern, and it would be impossible to plan for every contingency without explicit knowledge of that language (in which case I would probably be speaking it). Anyone who is able to read this, and acknowledge it as English, should be able to realize that there will always be differences in language, and make the adjustments accordingly. Just as there are concepts which do not translate perfectly from English to German, I'm sure there are concepts that are in German what do not translate perfectly to English. Should I get on someone's case every time this happens, obviously not.

 

I believe my message was clear. This "project" is an outrage, and an insult to anyone else who is modding legally. We, as modders are supposed to work within certain legal boundaries. If we just stopped doing so, it would only result in the death of communities like this, and a loss of future modding support from nearly everyone. The last thing we need is for modders to be seen as the sort of people who would steal content from wherever they want, just to stick it in their games. It reflects poorly on any company which works with them, and any place that allows for discussion and exchange of files.

 

The real question is why the admins of that site allowed the project to even be displayed for as long as it has been. And there doesn't seem to be any mention of it being shut down. Or doesn't international copyright law apply in that country? It's dispicable for both the one making it, and any site that would not immediately report it, or refuse it being mentioned.

[billypnats]

"The real question is why the admins of that site allowed the project to even be displayed for as long as it has been. And there doesn't seem to be any mention of it being shut down. Or doesn't international copyright law apply in that country? It's dispicable for both the one making it, and any site that would not immediately report it, or refuse it being mentioned."

 

 

thats cus he owns the site or something lol

 

"I believe my message was clear. This "project" is an outrage, and an insult to anyone else who is modding legally. We, as modders are supposed to work within certain legal boundaries. If we just stopped doing so, it would only result in the death of communities like this, and a loss of future modding support from nearly everyone. The last thing we need is for modders to be seen as the sort of people who would steal content from wherever they want, just to stick it in their games. It reflects poorly on any company which works with them, and any place that allows for discussion and exchange of files."

 

does it also mean that mods like this http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3471

is illegal?

[Vagrant0]

does it also mean that mods like this http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3471

is illegal?

No. as long as that person has been given the rights to upload those models for use somwehere else. If the source of those models doesn't allow re-uploading, or alteration of files, or did not give rights to its use, then it is illegal. Credits alone don't mean anything. Seeing as how it has sat in the site's archives, and had a mod actually work on it, I would asume that permission was given for the model. Intellectual property doesn't apply in this case as long as the model itself wasn't ripped directly from a game (such as the crysis project) or wasn't made from actual plueprints (in the case of something that actually exists). In this case, the weapon was modeled based off of reference images, so at best is considdered a fancreation, and is applicable to those laws.

[chris 07]

No because that was made by hand by the modder who uploaded it. That is not in anyway illegal. Thats like if you make a new set of armor and upload it. How is that illegal?

[dra6o0n]

You guys are definitely jumping the gun. Ever think that copyright infringement only seem to happen when "One person takes the credit for another persons idea" NOT "One person borrows a persons idea and does it for free/Fan-based, because it was popular". There are many games based from other games, that idea works like a fan-based.

 

So if crysis engine wants to use Oblivion as a part of their mod, then they can give the credit to bethstudio for their awesome idea, meaning bethstudio would get more reps because of mods from crysis.

 

The situation you guys seem to use is like "Jumping into a pool of lava" compared to the real situation, "Crossing a worn bridge, OVER a pool of lava".

[Vagrant0]

So if crysis engine wants to use Oblivion as a part of their mod, then they can give the credit to bethstudio for their awesome idea, meaning bethstudio would get more reps because of mods from crysis.

The real world doesn't work like that. It would be one thing if they went and rebuilt everything from scratch to make it look like the IC. It's another to take the resources from one game, and use them in creation of another. In this case Bethsoft doesn't get anything out of it since they did not work on it themselves, and do not have rights to use that engine, or likely their own files within any other game. It would be like me extracting clothing textures and models from The Sims 2, converting them slightly and putting them into Oblivion. Even if I say where I got them from, I'm still essentially stealing content, then using it without permission in another program. Even taking models, importing them into an animation program, and using them there would be illegal, despite the fact that I wouldn't be releasing those models to anyone else. It is all covered in the terms of use. Maybe you should bother to read it a bit better.

[jaysus]

nah its basicly the same if you recreate the models or use existing ones as you use an existing "idea"

you need permission to do so, but as some others said the use of somebody elses idea for the better of the people and not personal gain cant be wrong even tho laws state it differently... laws are not always just

also i think some people over react a bit lol... like "put em in jail!" "decaptivate em!" etc lol thats crazy

as a dev i would rather take the ideas of such modders and incooperate them in my product like for example the lightning would really improve oblivion...

 

back to international law... the sentences are not equal even if the laws are international it still depends in which country the offence took place, in the us such an act might make you a criminal in germany just an offender... language doesnt matter in that case, i just tried to show off the difference between crime and offense in german law (will get equalized in the future tho since germany is part of the eu and eu laws overrule national law and the eu in turn formed a union with north america during the g8 summit in heilgendamm last year which will replace or overrule national law in the us in the future thus making international laws more international)

 

also check the link again, that page that hosts the video and pics states clearly that the mod got iced (not explained further) dont remember if they said so in english or german tho

[russader]

Look, you guys keep bypassing a serious point here. Where are they located? America? Nope. Uk That doesn't look like the queens language to me.

 

Basicly Copy right laws are almost identical in 90% of english speaking countries, and 60% of asia, so they honor and compliment eachother. The rest of the world is a totally different matter.

 

There have been multiple issues with germanic contries over copy rights because their laws are written so differently and they rarely reconize any liscence restrictions from outside their respected contries.

 

So the point is, stop talking about it being illegal, it may verywell not be and unless you are a German Lawyer, you just don't know. so leave it be and comment as to if it will be cool or not.

[Vagrant0]

So the point is, stop talking about it being illegal, it may verywell not be and unless you are a German Lawyer, you just don't know. so leave it be and comment as to if it will be cool or not.

Point taken... But no. Afraid it isn't so simple as "we don't speak English, so we don't have to honor your rights when we use your stuff". I believe I had a similar argument with someone from Romania when they were going on about the legality of pirating software... If the country signed the treaties, they have to enforce them. Furthermore, Bethsoft has offices in Germany (or else they wouldn't be selling the product in Germany), which means that any unlawful use of resources falls under German law, and not merely international law.

 

And in all honesty, going with the belief that it's ok to steal stuff from other countries will only make your country look untrustworthy in all that deal with you. Take a look at China, many people in that country have made it their point to steal from others, post spam, upload viruses, and because of that, several sites have blocked Chinese ISPs. Once a country has been labeled as unwilling to honor the wishes of an author, even if it is done by a small handful of people, it is hard for the honest people to break that label. Going down this road only means that people will be more cautious of where they allow their products to be used.

 

In a community like this, you can bet your ass that if I went running around German mod sites, grabbing up whatever resources I can find, then uploading them under my name, that regardless of how the result may look, I would catch hell for it, and probably be banned from those places. Why is it different the other way around? How is that right? You would not like your work to be taken without your consent, and used just to make someone else look good. Regardless of what laws are on the books in your country, it is ethically wrong, and indicates someone who cannot function honestly within any international community.

 

In other words, continuing this sort of behavior will likely just make it less likely that software companies will release products in those countries. It may also make it more likely that added security is put into place of software to prevent ANY resources from being used outside the program. It will probably also make it less likely that future games will have moding capability as we recognize it (IE everything is done with ingame software, that can only obtain resources from within the game). So when you considder that... This is not, and never was a, cool idea.