Geck - Conditions not showing on Perk Form

[EPDGaffney]

The thing is that the squished columns bug does that, so that may be a normal part of that problem; what you are experiencing is certainly a different problem, one I've never heard of.

 

So, to clarify, the squished columns bug is triggered by opening any of a few different specific types of form, and if you don't do that, there are a few types you'll be able to edit without ever coming across this bug. But once you have opened one of the offending types, anything with this format will become affected. Unfortunately, which forms are which escapes me.

 

Did you try simply deleting the .ini files and letting it make new ones? I would try Power-Up next, though I personally believe the problem is going to be much harder to pin down. Try compatibility mode as well. And I don't know what problems having your game installed in Program Files causes, but I thought I'd mention it in case you have it installed there. Dubious probably knows more.

 

Are you using any Windows 10 settings that most people probably wouldn't use? For example, for a while I had mine set not to automate anti-aliasing of text, which is a weird setting. Stuff like that shouldn't interfere with stuff like this, but when it's not coded all that well, some stuff can.

 

Are you launching the editor through Steam or Explorer? Could try whichever one you aren't doing now.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Dubious's last post turned out to hit on the problem, either. Though I was leaning towards GPU drivers myself, if it is indeed drivers.

[dubiousintent]

Sometimes it takes some "back and forth" to clarify the nature of a problem. We all have a tendency to pick up on familiar things first. And frustration (understandable as it is) doesn't help matters.

 

Is the game (and hence GECK) installed under the "C:\Program Files" folder tree? I didn't see anything to that effect but it is a point to make certain about.

 

Did you install Steam to it's default location? If so, please see the wiki "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article for why the original default Steam behavior of installing games to the "C:\Program Files" folder tree was bad (they learned better, and don't do that any more); and why "disabling UAC and running as Administrator" is NOT sufficient, with instructions how to move it. This is the single most important thing you can do to fix and protect yourself against problems in the future. As much of a PITA as that is, it's never going to be any easier than now. Please see the 'Restoring to "Vanilla"' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article as well.

If you did move Steam out of the default location, then likely the problem is one of "File and Folder permissions" on the parent "root" folder under which you installed the games. If this is not set correctly to allow at least "System", "Administrators", and "Users" to have "Full Control" then you can't overwrite other files or make changes. You then need to enable the "Properties | Security | Advanced | Change Permissions" setting of the parent folder to enable the box: "Replace all child object permissions with inheritable permissions from this object", so those changes get applied to the existing files and sub-folders.

I did find a mention on the Dell site for their "Inspirion" brand machines to the effect that it was necessary to change a default configuration so the numberpad would work when a mouse was active. Something else to look into: hardware specifics.

 

-Dubious-

[Mktavish]

I'm curious how you got that green header on your perk window ? As far as I know the standard is blue ?

 

It's probably un related , but is this a custom setting with Geck , or Windows ?

 

And like EPDGaffney suggested ... uninstalling the geck does not get rid of the .ini files.

Nor the .bak files i think.

Edited December 23, 2017 by Mktavish

[EPDGaffney]

The more I think about this, the more I think that having to reboot points to something outside the G.E.C.K.; does anyone know anything about the terminology used for this type of column organisation, like a name that it may have when used throughout Windows and any other software? Maybe we can find the answer by searching for a larger problem that contains this one.

 

I would still do all the basic stuff recommended here, just to rule it out, but I don't think this is going to be solved very easily.

 

If necessary, I would consider uninstalling hardware to test a Windows environment that's a little closer to bare bones. Then we can try adding stuff back one by one until we find the culprit, and maybe update or roll back its drivers. The G.E.C.K. doesn't work in safe mode, does it?

 

I don't know how advanced you are or if you can be bothered, but one thing I've considered is using Linux and WINE on a VM to run this game and the editor more smoothly. That's another avenue open to you if you feel like it.

[PoorlyAged]

I am not running DELL hardware. I was forced to use a Dell once and the support was so shoddy that I deliberately dropped the damned thing into a flooded gutter so I could get a new IBM ThinkPad (back before IBM sold the unit to Lenovo in China and Lenovo started putting spyware on the machines).

 

All apps and games are installed in the default locations with default settings (with one setting exception). Long ago I learned the hard way not to muck with install paths. The only GECK setting I have changed is the one which allows me to have multiple masters (bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1 in geckcustom.ini).

 

The green header is a windows (Windows > Settings > Personalization > Colors) setting. The default blue washes out my vision.

 

When I did the uninstall (Windows > Settings > Apps > Apps and Features > Geck - New Vegas Edition > Uninstall ), I went to C:\Users\&&user\Documents\My Games\FalloutNV to delete the geckcustom.ini and geckperf.ini files, but they where not there. I assume that the Uninstall deleted them, because upon re-installed they were back and I had to reset the switch to allow for Multiple masters (bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1) in geckcustom.ini.

 

I'm a software guy. I don't do hardware. This configuration has been stable for a couple of years with no changes or additions with the exception of a replacement for a desktop rodent which was dropped under a chair roller, but the same device as the original was used used to replace the rather broken one. The only driver which has any recent activity was the drivers for the Video cards (2 - AMD Radeon R7 200 series), which get regular updates from AMD.

 

My operating system is MS Windows 10, 64 bit. I have 32gb of DRAM, My CPU is a AMD FX-4350 Quad-Core.

Edited December 23, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[EPDGaffney]

It's more than once I've sorted out really out-there problems for people by having them install Steam on another partition outside of C: or wherever your Program Files folder is, so whilst it may not appear to be necessary, I would really try it.

 

To uninstall your hardware is simply to go into Device Manager and uninstall/disable it. I'm not saying you should remove it physically. I'm strongly in favour of this test, but let me know if you're unfamiliar with this type of thing and I'll look for a good guide for you.

 

Did you build this PC or is it a pre-built model? Could bloatware be interfering with this? Windows 10 comes with its own share of that anyway, but to my knowledge it doesn't interfere with the G.E.C.K., though I still used W10Privacy to optimise my system some time ago and no complaints yet.

 

Recent drivers cause more problems than they fix in my experience. Especially for old software. So whilst I have no way of knowing if it's your GPU drivers, keeping them up to date doesn't rule them out, and in fact, makes them more suspect if anything.

 

It's possible that using a more thorough uninstaller like Revo Uninstaller could make sure the GECK gets fully removed from the registry on uninstalling, which could maybe fix your problem.

 

Edit: Using safe mode is the same test as uninstalling your hardware; I just don't know that the GECK will launch in safe mode, but you can try that first.

Edited December 23, 2017 by EPDGaffney

[Mktavish]

I am not running DELL hardware. I was forced to use a Dell once and the support was so shoddy that I deliberately dropped the damned thing into a flooded gutter so I could get a new IBM ThinkPad (back before IBM sold the unit to Lenovo in China and Lenovo started putting spyware on the machines).

 

Nobody said you were ... but the fact of the matter is many people run it just fine on Dell equipment.

 

All apps and games are installed in the default locations with default settings (with one setting exception). Long ago I learned the hard way not to muck with install paths. The only GECK setting I have changed is the one which allows me to have multiple masters (bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1 in geckcustom.ini).

 

Well with this game ... it is a known problem of enough prevalence to consider installing outside of program files.

 

The green header is a windows (Windows > Settings > Personalization > Colors) setting. The default blue washes out my vision.

 

So easy thing to test then ... reset it to the default settings of blue ... and see if the problem is there ?

 

When I did the uninstall (Windows > Settings > Apps > Apps and Features > Geck - New Vegas Edition > Uninstall ), I went to C:\Users\&&user\Documents\My Games\FalloutNV to delete the geckcustom.ini and geckperf.ini files, but they where not there. I assume that the Uninstall deleted them, because upon re-installed they were back and I had to reset the switch to allow for Multiple masters (bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1) in geckcustom.ini.

 

Hmm maybe that is a feature of installing inside of program files ?

 

 

 

But no matter if your software / hardware / gamer enthusiast ...

 

We are all just Fo3 & NV community volunteers here ...

Edited December 24, 2017 by Mktavish

[PoorlyAged]

As I read the last two posts, I get the distinct impression that we are grasping at straw. And the wind is blowing hard. Gentlefolk, there is a threshold in the diagnostic process where the "let's try ..." becomes more painful and risky than the disease, and I think we are there.

 

I have three voices clamoring for attention and I cannot twist myself enough to accommodate all three thought paths. Especially when responding to one comment raises the ire of someone else.

 

I have a circumvention which works, albeit a kludge; but I can get what I need done. I would rather live with the circumvention which works and move on, as the "let's try ..." has moved beyond my comfort zone. This is the only box I have and until the money tree blooms, it will remain so. I am not going to deliberately break it to test a SWAG theory.

 

Thank you for your endeavors. I am moving on.

[EPDGaffney]

That's understandable. It's more than a SWAG theory that it's a conflict with your hardware but I understand if you'd prefer to use your workaround.

 

If the idea of installing outside of Program Files is outside of your comfort zone, then I can only say that though it's your prerogative, modded games are prone to trouble there and I would advise installing elsewhere even if you didn't have this problem.

 

So, what is this workaround anyway? We should all know it in case we ever see this problem again.

 

One last thing: if your Windows 10 wasn't a clean install, that can cause a load of problems. Not suggesting you do a clean install just for this problem if you don't want to, nor a refresh, but you should be aware of that in case you ever start running into more serious problems.

[PoorlyAged]

That is exactly what I mean. You nailed the problem (which I don't have screen shots for, because I only had the after). But the solution didn't work. :sad:

I did discover that rebooting and reloading the CK did make the conditions show up for a while. But alas, that was short lived. Four reboots later, I have made the perk the way I want. I think. Onto testing.

Edited December 24, 2017 by PoorlyAged